and that, right there RPB, is what draws the mock

Einstein was never run out of Boston in a gorilla costume

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I thought Jed was the GM?

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I misspoke. Pardon.

Right near the top. Slightly behind Kenny Williams.

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I'd wait for history's view of the steroid era before thinking he's a genius. Maybe they had more to do with his success in Boston (at least) than his proprietary data.

But he was competing against steroid guys too, so I dont think you have to wait for anything to judge him.

Genius is a loaded word. He's one of the best front office guys in recent history for sure.

This is indisputable, and anyone who argues otherwise is blindly biased.

The steroids argument is one of the dumbest I've heard. Who cares? Everyone else was using them too. Was he supposed to only use "clean" guys?

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Over the last decade or so its Belichick #1, Theo #2, then everyone else.

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I wasn't expanding to other sports. If so, whoever put the Warriors together probably has an argument.

Not to make light of an NBA season, but its tougher to win a Championship in the NFL & MLB. Case and point, you can't even say his name off the top of you head so "whoever" would be-- at best-- #3 behind Coach Hoodie and Theo.

All time? Theo is near the top, but not at the top. Bill Walsh, the 90's Braves GMs...the Yankees GMs from the mid 40s thru the mid 60s, The Steelers of the 70s, Jerry Krause. The true historic dynasties rank above Theo IMO.

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I dont follow the NBA at all though.

Normally I would sort of agree on the basis that NBA players tend to “GM” their own teams now, but I think GS is the one exception. They had to draft Curry and Thompson and Green and fill in a lot of competent veterans.

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You're missing the point. His proprietary data is what propelled the Red Sox or that was what the narrative would lead us to believe. If no one cares or it wouldn't leave a black mark on his legacy Theo should come out and say that the Red Sox used steroids to their advantage better than any team in baseball during that era. Like all GM's Theo is part snake oil salesman.

You're smarter than this, Marty. Just anti Cub stuff. I get it.

Theo was the best before he left Boston. The Cubs Title just cemented it.

I think the "end the long streak of losing" is overrated for Theo. He won with two huge market teams. We put down the accomplishments of those who win with the Yankees because they have advantages and yet with Theo because the teams were historically gross underperformers(under different ownership) we act like it was some miracle to win in two of the biggest markets in the country all the while we credit Billy Beane, and Joe Maddon, for the work they did in small markets without accomplishing much.

I also think history won't be kind to the "tanking era" of professional sports.

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Maybe you put down the Yankees. I certainly don't.


You can remove the Cubs and Red Sox being who they are from the equation. 14 years, 3 World Series titles kinda says it all.

No one puts down the Yankees.

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Theo is also aided by false narratives in both of his stops that his predecessor left the cupboard bare.

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I have never heard anyone say the Red Sox were bare. They won like 95 games the year before he took over. I think you hallucinated that one.


The 2011 Cubs cupboard...I mean, not too much young talent, but a few tradeable pieces for sure.


Like Andrew Cashner. Are you still holding on that trade as a Win for the Padres?

And fired their coach after a 50 win season to bring in Kerr.

His name is Bob Myers, btw. He's the 2nd best GM in the NBA behind RC Buford.

I think whoever has been the GM of the Giants(if its been the same dude for awhile) has an argument over Theo.

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Yep. 312 mentioned him. Brian Sabean.

Seriously? I've heard a lot that the Yankees buy their championships.

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Yeah, that was a very common narrative 15 years ago. They pretty much never win nowadays so of course you don't hear it lately.

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It was always wrong.

They stopped winning when they started spending like crazy in the 2000s

2009 title was bought. (But that just means they signed the right guys)

The 4 in the late 90s were built around guys who were drafted. Jeter, Williams, Petite, Posada and Rivera

I think Rick's original point is still correct. It's easier to win in large markets. Theo's not winning a World Series in San Diego.

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I dont think that was Rick's point. His point was winning with the Red Sox and Cubs isnt any harder. A lot of people, (I've done it) probably give him more credit for ending droughts.

But as my friend dolphin pointed out, the Red Sox were no slouches when Theo took over.

And even the Cubs had been in the playoffs 3 times in the previous 8 years, so Rick is correct on that.

Maybe I misinterpreted this.

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Well yea, when you remove the topic sentence it changes the argument.


It began with

I think the "end the long streak of losing" is overrated for Theo.

How about we say I made two great points instead of one and everyone is right!

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You have no idea if that's true, and you could say it about every GM who has won in a big market.

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