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Newspapers often do similar things. The Sun-Times set up a phony bar to catch crooked judges and politicians. It was very controversial at the time.

Are we really now treating the exposing of public officials as the equivalent of James O'Keefe and his fellow clowns trying to play gotcha with news outlets he doesn't like? Beyond that, it seems a bit strange to come up with an example from the 70s, the supposed golden age of journalism often waxed about poetically on this board, to indict the actions of newspapers in the present as being the same as hack right wing think tanks.


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That's wrong. O'Keefe's methods have been very similar to many other "undercover" operations in journalism. In fact it is 100% equivalent. But I do think that pretending to be a sexual assault victim crosses a line that acting as a body parts broker at an abortion clinic does not.


The problem is that crossing the lines of ethics is seemingly par for the course with these right wing (note: I didn't say conservative) groups. And has been since 2004 when they fraudulently went after moveon.org (?)

But you already started your post saying that the methodologies are 100% equivalent. Pick a lane

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yea one side is biased for western civilization and the other is biased against it. this is hardly a case of there being two equally bad or good sides. this isn't turd sandwich vs giant douche.

if you side with the left, or whatever part of their PR machine in media or academia you choose to reference directly, you are siding against everything that has brought us to where we are now. islam, communism, anarchy...we know how these ideologies end. we know what happens to communist countries. we know what happens when there are no police. we know what happens when islam is allowed to grow. the case studies surround us in our world today and in history have almost no deviation. the outcomes are always ALWAYS bad.

i'm pretty far to the left economically and i have had to suspend that because this fight is just bigger than what you feel about eduction or taxes or foriegn policy. its an ideological struggle for what happens next to north america, europe and oceania. to sit it out and pretend its still 2005 when the parties are indistinguishable blobs is naive.

So, if you are against communism, radical muslims and anarchy, the only choice is to support Donald Trump?

and then when he was elected he fled the country. :lol:


You all laugh at America but I wonder what your tune will be in ten to twenty years.

When your daughters are being "culturally enriched" by packs of Muslim migrants. Your son comes home and tells you his preferred pronoun is xir and he wants to pay for him to cut his dick off. Your wife tells you your years of microaggressions(not taking out garbage) and spousal rape (normal marital sex) have taken a toll and she wants a divorce.

Then you go to buy beer and find the Jewel doesnt carry beer because it is haram.

Just keep worrying about Drumpf tho

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I don't think so .... I feel like he's been to a bored outing ... the last B&B show maybe? I'll let him confirm or deny. Seemed like an okay chap iirc.

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I thought the Muslim takeover in the U.S. was supposed to happen during the Obama presidency.


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Come see the prime minister of a once-proud country literally apologize for nothing and cut a check for $145m in reparations!

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Regular Reader wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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ZephMarshack wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Newspapers often do similar things. The Sun-Times set up a phony bar to catch crooked judges and politicians. It was very controversial at the time.

Are we really now treating the exposing of public officials as the equivalent of James O'Keefe and his fellow clowns trying to play gotcha with news outlets he doesn't like? Beyond that, it seems a bit strange to come up with an example from the 70s, the supposed golden age of journalism often waxed about poetically on this board, to indict the actions of newspapers in the present as being the same as hack right wing think tanks.


Welcome to false equivalency-2017 version



That's wrong. O'Keefe's methods have been very similar to many other "undercover" operations in journalism. In fact it is 100% equivalent. But I do think that pretending to be a sexual assault victim crosses a line that acting as a body parts broker at an abortion clinic does not.


The problem is that crossing the lines of ethics is seemingly par for the course with these right wing (note: I didn't say conservative) groups. And has been since 2004 when they fraudulently went after moveon.org (?)

But you already started your post saying that the methodologies are 100% equivalent. Pick a lane


I don't think the Right has a monopoly on ethical breaches.

And I'm sure you remember what we were supposed to "move on" from.

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I am not singling out RR but many do not in fact remember a lot about Move On, Cindy Sheehan and all sorts of this that happened. Most are about right now.

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I am not singling out RR but many do not in fact remember a lot about Move On, Cindy Sheehan and all sorts of this that happened. Most are about right now.

Not sure Cindy Sheehan fits the unethical criteria.


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I am not singling out RR but many do not in fact remember a lot about Move On, Cindy Sheehan and all sorts of this that happened. Most are about right now.

Not sure Cindy Sheehan fits the unethical criteria.


Whiny bitch who should've kept her trap shut!

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Newspapers often do similar things. The Sun-Times set up a phony bar to catch crooked judges and politicians. It was very controversial at the time.

Are we really now treating the exposing of public officials as the equivalent of James O'Keefe and his fellow clowns trying to play gotcha with news outlets he doesn't like? Beyond that, it seems a bit strange to come up with an example from the 70s, the supposed golden age of journalism often waxed about poetically on this board, to indict the actions of newspapers in the present as being the same as hack right wing think tanks.


Welcome to false equivalency-2017 version



That's wrong. O'Keefe's methods have been very similar to many other "undercover" operations in journalism. In fact it is 100% equivalent. But I do think that pretending to be a sexual assault victim crosses a line that acting as a body parts broker at an abortion clinic does not.


The problem is that crossing the lines of ethics is seemingly par for the course with these right wing (note: I didn't say conservative) groups. And has been since 2004 when they fraudulently went after moveon.org (?)

But you already started your post saying that the methodologies are 100% equivalent. Pick a lane


I don't think the Right has a monopoly on ethical breaches.

And I'm sure you remember what we were supposed to "move on" from.

Move On looks really bad in 2017 considering we were supposed to "move on" from Bill Clinton being accused of rape/sexual assault. :shock:

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It's the muslims now that are taking over??? I thought it was the gays? But I thought the Jews run everything????

Very complicated stuff. America/Toxic can you clarify and sort out this tangled web?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I am not singling out RR but many do not in fact remember a lot about Move On, Cindy Sheehan and all sorts of this that happened. Most are about right now.

Not sure Cindy Sheehan fits the unethical criteria.

A mother who lost her child due to a war that nearly everyone agrees was a collosol mistake. Yeah, what a horrible person...

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It's the muslims now that are taking over??? I thought it was the gays? But I thought the Jews run everything????

Very complicated stuff. America/Toxic can you clarify and sort out this tangled web?

Liberals hate western civilization for reasons that dont make any sense and seek to destroy it with three ideologies proven to destroy civilizations the fastest: anarchy, communism and Islam. Why? I dont know. I doubt its even intentional or a conscious decision, they just chose to fall for old Soviet propaganda that is apparently so good it keeps working almost 30 years after the USSR collapsed.


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I am not singling out RR but many do not in fact remember a lot about Move On, Cindy Sheehan and all sorts of this that happened. Most are about right now.

Not sure Cindy Sheehan fits the unethical criteria.

A mother who lost her child due to a war that nearly everyone agrees was a collosol mistake. Yeah, what a horrible person...


Use spellcheck.

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It's the muslims now that are taking over??? I thought it was the gays? But I thought the Jews run everything????

Very complicated stuff. America/Toxic can you clarify and sort out this tangled web?

Liberals hate western civilization for reasons that dont make any sense and seek to destroy it with three ideologies proven to destroy civilizations the fastest: anarchy, communism and Islam. Why? I dont know. I doubt its even intentional or a conscious decision, they just chose to fall for old Soviet propaganda that is apparently so good it keeps working almost 30 years after the USSR collapsed.

Is that a fancy way of saying liberals are bad because they don't explicitly hate brown people?

If you take a breath you'll notice MANY liberals do not like brown people. They're just very subtle and two-faced on how they discriminate against them.


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pittmike wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
I am not singling out RR but many do not in fact remember a lot about Move On, Cindy Sheehan and all sorts of this that happened. Most are about right now.

Not sure Cindy Sheehan fits the unethical criteria.

A mother who lost her child due to a war that nearly everyone agrees was a collosol mistake. Yeah, what a horrible person...


Use spellcheck.


His fingers are too fat/covered in cheetos dust to operate the keyboard correctly.

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pittmike wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
I am not singling out RR but many do not in fact remember a lot about Move On, Cindy Sheehan and all sorts of this that happened. Most are about right now.

Not sure Cindy Sheehan fits the unethical criteria.

A mother who lost her child due to a war that nearly everyone agrees was a collosol mistake. Yeah, what a horrible person...


Use spellcheck.

Im just curious why you would put her in the conversation of unethical politics.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
I am not singling out RR but many do not in fact remember a lot about Move On, Cindy Sheehan and all sorts of this that happened. Most are about right now.

Not sure Cindy Sheehan fits the unethical criteria.

A mother who lost her child due to a war that nearly everyone agrees was a collosol mistake. Yeah, what a horrible person...


Use spellcheck.

Im just curious why you would put her in the conversation of unethical politics.


Just lazily lumping shit together.

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pittmike wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
I am not singling out RR but many do not in fact remember a lot about Move On, Cindy Sheehan and all sorts of this that happened. Most are about right now.

Not sure Cindy Sheehan fits the unethical criteria.

A mother who lost her child due to a war that nearly everyone agrees was a collosol mistake. Yeah, what a horrible person...


Use spellcheck.

Im just curious why you would put her in the conversation of unethical politics.


Just lazily lumping shit together.

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It's the muslims now that are taking over??? I thought it was the gays? But I thought the Jews run everything????

Very complicated stuff. America/Toxic can you clarify and sort out this tangled web?

Liberals hate western civilization for reasons that dont make any sense and seek to destroy it with three ideologies proven to destroy civilizations the fastest: anarchy, communism and Islam. Why? I dont know. I doubt its even intentional or a conscious decision, they just chose to fall for old Soviet propaganda that is apparently so good it keeps working almost 30 years after the USSR collapsed.


Spoken like a snowflake content to willingly let this country to be led on the world stage by criminal Russians and Chinese communists. Sad!

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It's the muslims now that are taking over??? I thought it was the gays? But I thought the Jews run everything????

Very complicated stuff. America/Toxic can you clarify and sort out this tangled web?

Liberals hate western civilization for reasons that dont make any sense and seek to destroy it with three ideologies proven to destroy civilizations the fastest: anarchy, communism and Islam. Why? I dont know. I doubt its even intentional or a conscious decision, they just chose to fall for old Soviet propaganda that is apparently so good it keeps working almost 30 years after the USSR collapsed.

Is that a fancy way of saying liberals are bad because they don't explicitly hate brown people?

If you take a breath you'll notice MANY liberals do not like brown people. They're just very subtle and two-faced on how they discriminate against them.

Almost on cue the weird obsession with brown people. Said exactly like that..."brown people". It's like everyone is using the same fucking playbook.


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Did America just try to claim that there weren't many Muslims in Spain?

In 2016, 4% of Spaniards were Muslim. In The U.S.? Only 1%.

But why am I surprised that he only pretends to be intelligent.

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Did America just try to claim that there weren't many Muslims in Spain?

In 2016, 4% of Spaniards were Muslim. In The U.S.? Only 1%.

But why am I surprised that he only pretends to be intelligent.

I never said there were a lot of Muslims in the USA yet


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I will say this, Muslims in the US vs. Muslims in Europe have very differing viewpoints.

I would say it's the difference between assimilation/inclusion and multiculturalism/segregation.

I'm too lazy to pull up the Pew Polls with the data, but every few years they perform polls asking people of various religions what their views are on various social/political issues. Unlike Muslims in Europe, Muslims in the US are both unlikely to hold extremist viewpoints and are in fact more likely to be socially liberal. in fact, they often skew more socially liberal than US Christians. That is the product of assimilation. For the most part, the US is inclusive and as a result the children of Muslim immigrants adopt American values.

By contrast, Europe has been exclusionary and has valued multiculturalism over assimilation. As a result, the Muslim communities there are insular, which is a great breeding ground for extremism. This is a stark difference from what has been seen in the US. It's a damn shame assholes like America wish to drive a wedge which would not only discourage Muslims from becoming American and adopting our values, but would also make them more insular. He wonders why Europe is so fucked up, but he should really look into the mirror as people like him are responsible.

tl;dr summary: multiculturalism fails where assimilation succeeds.

If anyone wants additional reading, I'll leave this for you. https://www.fpri.org/2016/04/us-doesnt- ... em-europe/

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I will say this, Muslims in the US vs. Muslims in Europe have very differing viewpoints.
tl;dr summary: multiculturalism fails where assimilation succeeds.



Except for the Mexicans flying their flags on their gaudy pick up trucks and the ever present press 2 for English.

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I will say this, Muslims in the US vs. Muslims in Europe have very differing viewpoints.
tl;dr summary: multiculturalism fails where assimilation succeeds.



Except for the Mexicans flying their flags on their gaudy pick up trucks and the ever present press 2 for English.

Go look Manhattan's Lower East Side 100 years ago. Recent immigrants there were flying Italian flags and speaking Italian. Today, their great grandchildren are 100% American with only a surname to identify their heritage. This is the pattern with all immigrant groups to the US. 150 years ago it was the Irish. Go read a history book if you're still confused.

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I....agree with Ogie...


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:lol: :lol: :lol:

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