I imagine in swing states there's more bullshit going on. Indiana or Illinois aren't exactly swing states.

After the election, registered voters in Milwaukee County and Madison’s Dane County were surveyed about why they didn’t cast a ballot. Eleven percent cited the voter ID law and said they didn’t have an acceptable ID; of those, more than half said the law was the “main reason” they didn’t vote. According to the study’s author, University of Wisconsin-Madison political scientist Kenneth Mayer, that finding implies that between 12,000 and 23,000 registered voters in Madison and Milwaukee—and as many as 45,000 statewide—were deterred from voting by the ID law. “We have hard evidence there were tens of thousands of people who were unable to vote because of the voter ID law,” he says.

Trump carried the state by less than 23,000 votes.

Wisconsin’s voter ID law was designed to create complex hoops prospective voters had to jump through to secure an ID, particularly for those without driver’s licenses, and also for college students attending schools that did not issue the kind of IDs the law demanded. Berman found abundant evidence that election personnel in the state went beyond the letter of the law to discourage compliance. And voter ID was just part of the arsenal of voter suppression techniques at the GOP’s disposal:

The voter ID law was one of 33 election changes passed in Wisconsin after Walker took office [in 2011], and it dovetailed with his signature push to dismantle unions, taking away his opponents’ most effective organizing tool. Wisconsin’s Legislature cut early voting from 30 days to 12, reduced early voting hours on nights and weekends, and restricted early voting to one location per county, hampering voters in large urban areas and sprawling rural ones. It also added new residency requirements for voter registration, eliminated staffers who led statewide registration drives, and made it harder to count absentee ballots.

It all added up, and for Republicans, it paid off handsomely in 2016.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

I'm sure you always have a reason to not defend something. I'm more interested in the things you won't defend or "take issue with" or have a 30 page over semantics about that conservatives do or say. I've seen Chas and others draw lines but I'm still waiting for that JLN line. I imagine there has to be one. I thought it would be murder but we learned that wasn't true earlier this year.

Indiana is. Wisconsin, too, and there's been lots of suspicious stuff happening under Walker.

JLN is very good at posting "I'm not saying, I'm just saying." but with 500 more words.

http://www.stephenpettigrew.com/research/

Hence 6-8-10 hours voting lines are becoming increasingly more common.

Hence 6-8-10 hours voting lines are becoming increasingly more common.

Hence 6-8-10 hours voting lines are becoming increasingly more common.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

You do realize that wait times will be significantally lower in mid-term/special elections, right?

JLN are you aware what the thread is about?

Hence 6-8-10 hours voting lines are becoming increasingly more common.

Good, good, give him that straw to grasp at. You've played your role perfectly, thank you.

What are the complex hoops prospective voters must jump though to get an ID? You can get a free ID card for voting purposes: https://www.dmv.org/wi-wisconsin/id-cards.php

Voter ID Card

You can apply for a free ID card in Wisconsin for voting purposes only, if you:

Will be 18 years old or older by the next election.
Are a U.S. citizen.
Are eligible to vote in Wisconsin.

Applications must be made in person at a WI DMV office. You will need:

A completed Wisconsin Identification Card (ID) Application (Form MV3004).
A completed DMV Administrator Petition – Unavailable Documentation (Form MV3012).
Proof of your identity, such as your:
U.S. passport.
Pay stub.
Social Security card.
Proof of your Wisconsin address, such as your:
Recent utility bill.
College ID card.
Recent bank statement.

Getting a free ID for Voting is easy even if you do not have the documentation to get a regular Wisconsin ID!

Go to the DMV to apply
Bring the following, if available:
Proof of Name and Date of Birth
(such as Birth Certificate)
Proof of Identity
(Social Security Card, Medicaid/Medicare Card, etc.)
Wisconsin Residency
(Utility bill, government mail, lease, etc.)
Proof of U.S. Citizenship
(U.S. Birth certificate or citizenship paperwork)
Social Security Number

If you don't have all or any of these, you can still get an ID for voting. Just bring what you have to the DMV, fill out 2 forms, and you will get a photo ID document in the mail that you can use in time for voting. Here is a sample of the document you'll be receiving.

Call our voter ID hotline if you need assistance: (844) 588-1069

If you already hold an unexpired Wisconsin driver license or identification (ID) card, or if you hold a Wisconsin driver license or ID card that has expired since the last general election (currently November 8, 2016), you have what you need to vote. A Wisconsin driver license or ID card is acceptable photo ID for voting.

That doesn't seem complex or unreasonable.

People in those neighborhoods DO want to work those polling booths, but in republican states the positions and resources are being choked out. Hence 6-8-10 hours voting lines are becoming increasingly more common.

What the hell are you talking about? I don't think that was me.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Oh yes it was.

http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopi ... it=lincoln

Hey Reader, does this graph look to you like the average wait time to cast a ballot has been decreasing, even irrespective of a community's "whiteness", from 2008 to 2016?

around here they struggle with volunteers. my old neighbor worked in the 17th district or whatever organizing precincts.

Reader, how about these bar graphs showing the distribution of wait times for black Americans in the last three elections? Outside of 2008 (hmm, what could that have been to drive up wait times?), is there a general downward trend, even and especially in waits to cast a ballot that are reportedly longer than an hour?

If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.

How about these charts, Reader, do they show a downward trend in average wait time for black people?

I've just never felt that showing an ID to vote was an inconvenience.

I've just never felt that showing an ID to vote was an inconvenience. If you can't manage to get an ID in 4 years before an election...I question your mental capacity to vote in the first place. Now the link that was posted showed they were asking for county of birth and other shit like that...they can shove that up their ass. Show the ID and move on, people aren't getting fake IDs to vote (except the kid in Breakfast Club).