Cease and Rutherford maybe? Machado at short, Anderson in center?

Not sure if I could watch Anderson try to learn center....

I wonder who the Sox actually offered....since they seem to have made one.

I guess Jerry thinks he can get Manny to sign a team friendly, below market deal.

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Only make this trade if Manny agrees to an extension

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What a way to get up in the morning.

Without an extension guaranteed I don't think the Sox can give up much. I actually don't mind it as a low-cost rental if it puts them in pole position to extend him next year. He could always be dealt at the deadline for a haul to a team in need.

And hey, even if Rodon is toast there's still a path for this team to contend for the division next year. 1. Moncada 2. Machado 3. Abreu 4. Avi 5. Eloy could be pretty damn good...a bit heavy on the RHH but still it'll score some runs.

Rosenthal was reporting, either a Kopech centered deal or a Giolitto centered deal, but not both in one deal.


Not a fan of that. Although, I think out of the 2, Giolitto is the head case, and might not reach his full potential because of it.

I think it's the opposite, Kopech is the nutjob. Still, I'd rather not make the deal for Kopech. His upside is bigger. I guess if there were some kind of window to negotiate with Machado and you could sign him to a seven year deal, it would be something to consider. This guy is the real centerpiece to a lineup and Kopech is a minor leaguer who throws hard. I don't think it's a bad thing for your shortstop to be your best player.

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It is hard to resist making a deal giving up prospects for a player that might instantly become the best player in Chicago. That said, no extension, no deal.

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I'd hold onto as many prospects as i could, hope 45% pan out and be a young solid, cost controlled team in 2 years. It's not hard to pick up a big bat via FA. This would be a bad move by Hahn.

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Agreed. The deal has to be contingent on Machado singing an extension here. The O's have to allow for a 48-72 hour window to negotiate an extension. Get a deal in place, offer him the best $ deal you can, and see if he takes it. If he does then he plays SS and I couldn't care less what happens to Tim Anderson. If he doesn't, then no deal and you sharpen your pencil when Machado hits the FA market.

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Head care not as in crazy, more like overthinking and putting it together. A confidence issue.

I like that they dont want to lose anymore and see 2018 as a transition year at worst, but this is too far. It just doesn't make sense for them to push all their chips in right now. A year from now I would probably be fine with it, but a year from now Machado will be a free agent the Sox can just sign him. And if the Sox think they aren't going to be in a position to sign Machado a year from now then holy shit do not trade either of your two best starters for 2018. Manny Machado is not going to club the White Sox to the playoffs if the #2 starter is James Shields.

Well he lost a ton off his fastball and had to relearn pitching.

Machado will definitely bring a bit of an edge to the clubhouse, which I do not see as a bad thing. A little fire and passhun can go a long way.

I can’t imagine them trading Kopech or Giolito even for a guy like Machado. They are core guys. If they can’t make a trade from their depth then they shouldn’t do it.

Latest score update said the agent is saying no negotiation window for acquiring team.

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No thank you

Yea forget it.

Rodon is probably the best I'd do and I cannot imagine him being worth anything anymore.

Agree 100%

What a dumb move by the O's. Wouldn't it behoove them to have just played status quo with Machado, and then flip him during the season?

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That is probably going to end up happening.

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IF you give up a Giolitto, what are you flipping Machado for?

Gleyber Torres and Chance Adams.

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I don't understand the Sox going after him for just one year. Doesn't make sense. I assumed they would require an extension if they where going to trade prospects for him. Why would the Orioles move Machado for low level prospects like Cease and Fulmer? They still need to sell tickets next year. Orioles would need to get a top prospect to justify losing a once in a generation ballplayer.

On the flipside, why would the sox trade a top prospect for a one year rental? Why would they even want a one year rental? How does that help your rebuild? It only hurts it, unless you are trying to compete this year and then you still only have Machado for one year and MAYBE a wildcard birth. Makes no sense.

This also makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't the Orioles just trade Machado for Torres and Adams? You are basically saying Giolitto = Torres and that is insane.

That is insane, I agree.

Giolito > Torres

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The timing means everything. What if the Yankee offense is struggling in July and they're three behind Boston? If you mean why would the White Sox do such a deal, Well, yeah, Giolito is likely more valuable than Torres but it wouldn't be a one-for-one deal. The Sox would have to give more for Machado than just Giolito in the first place and they may be able to get a bunch more back from a desperate team. I agree that's a risky game to play because if you can't swing it and Machado walks, you look really fucking stupid. Unless you win next season with Machado.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

His agent is Scott Boras, right?

In that case, no deal under any circumstances. Boras will never let one of his players sign an extension here given how much he loves Reinsdorf.

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God I am tired of Boras. Can't a new crop of agents come up and make him less important?

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it is not boras

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