Yeah that was the only reason they were against the ACA.

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You're right. They also hate minorities and poor people.

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Well, I'll always agree that both sides should work together more, and the Republicans certainly didn't here.

The point though is that for years it was that the Republicans had no alternate plan to Obamacare, from when it was proposed to when it passed to when they were campaigning on repealing it. Where is the Democrats tax reform proposal to compare against this one?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

They literally appealed the insurance mandate to the Supreme Court. I'm pretty sure they were very against it.

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The ACA was a Trojan horse to try and get single payer healthcare. Obama literally told you that before he pretended like he never said it because he actually was probably becoming President.

You could see it even when they tried to repeal it. The Democrats screamed "PEOPLE WILL LOSE HEALTH INSURANCE!" and while they were right, it proves that they've put millions of more people on government subsidized/provided healthcare and there is nothing that can be done to reverse it.

That is why the Republicans fought so hard against the ACA, even if it was a step forward in the right direction. It's about the long term fight against a complete government takeover of healthcare.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

<Golf Clap> You are on a roll today.

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Seems like it's a good deal for nearly everyone this year and gets incrementally worse for individuals for the next 8 years, and a good deal for corporations and the uber-wealthy for a lot longer.

America wins again!

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Why is it accepted that “trickle down” doesn’t work?

I had a neighbor that got a huge promotion last year. He subsequently bought an $800k house in a wealthy suburb, which he tore down. He’s now building a new, $1M+ house on the same lot. He’s literally creating jobs that would not have happened if he didn’t buy this house and tear it down. General Contractor, Architect, demolition, concrete, carpenters, appliances, etc. Isn’t that the effect of greater wealth?

I get that corporate wealth flows differently, but they will likely buy more plants, equipment, technology, which helps those suppliers and their employees. And if they keep wealth for the shareholders, I will see benefit in my 401k and kids’ 529s.

Sure, there are wealthy guys (like Warren Buffet) that won’t really increase their consumption because they already have everything they need, but many will spend their extra income and create jobs.

The bottom line is that I’d rather have individuals keep more of their income and choose how to spend it, versus the government keeping more and choosing how to spend it.

Was his promotion created or did someone else have that job? What was the person in that job doing with the money?

I guess trickle down would be, you make $100,000k a year pay $40k in taxes, now because of the trickle down you pay $20k in taxes and spend a portion of that $20k in saving of taxes in the economy.

they are anyway. I don't have the luxury of looking at what's best for my kids when we're where we are financially.

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Are your kids completely fucked because of any specific thing that happened in 1995?

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The problem is that tax cuts lead to lower tax revenue which leads to massive budget deficits. We're still dealing with that shit started by Reagan (and continued over the years).

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

How about a little cherrypicking things like removing the carried interest loophole that only benefit the truly wealthy, and that's something Trump ran on.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

So you're saying that a deal could have been made but Republicans didn't want to do it because of Obama? I'm shocked. Next thing you'll tell me is there was an agreement in place to reduce our annual deficit and reform entitlements and republicans backed out of that too because of Obama.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

the factories started moving late in 1994, but it really came to a head after 1998...why?

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

You know it's okay for your wife to work if you're working 3 jobs and literally killing yourself?

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Where does he live, Dickhead Estates?

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happy wife, happy life. So far so good and I'll be dropping the 3rd job at the end of this month.

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

I really hope it works out for you. You're an honorable man that's a little foolish.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

and one of which would be an issue if we just cut our military budget down to a more sustainable level. Do that and we have no deficit.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Even if we eliminated the entire military it wouldn't balance the budget. Which is how incredibly fucked up this situation is.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

thanks. Agreed on the second part of that statement for sure.

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The budget deficit is $440 billion. We spend $598 billion on the military, and that isn't even counting the additional defense authorizations that get passed throughout the year, which push it closer to $700 billion.

If you cut our military budget down to $150 billion, we have a balanced budget and still are #1 in military spending

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Yeah, but what about Northrop-Grumman, General Dynamics, Boeing, Raytheon, etc.? Why do you hate small businesses?

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Was looking at 2016 numbers. but going forward it will be similar. Defense is 15% of the budget.

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I was sarcastically asking DoucheBag.

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15% overall (which includes mandatory spending like social security, Medicare, interest on debt, etc.) but 58% of discretionary spending, which is pretty much all that can be changed on the budget.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

If you had to pin me down on the most important long term issue facing this country, it is definitely fiscal imbalances. I'd vote for and advocate a balanced budget amendment in a heart beat. And if that meant cutting spending and raising taxes in equal measure along with entitlement reform, I am on board. I'd give up all my social security earnings to fix this beast.

The problem is the entire world is living in a similar paradigm.
-Poor demographic trends with less workers supporting more longer living old people,
-Large unfunded entitlement programs and pensions,
-Ongoing budget deficits,
-Large amounts of debt to GDP.

It's really just a shell game of fiat currencies fueled by Central Bank money supply musical chairs. Given that, it is more important that we make our economy as competitive as possible. It's not like either party is serious about addressing the budget deficit or entitlements.

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You are 100% dead on about the demographic trends.

The problem with programs like social security is that when you fund them via a means that looks like a pyramid scheme, well then it's going to collapse for the same structural reason a pyramid scheme does.

If my FICA contribution was put into an Index Fund, it would be worth 7 figures when I retire. My wife and I are planning for retirement as if we will receive nothing from social security. If we do get any payout, it will be blow money for us as we'll have been investing like responsible adults for 45 years by the time we retire.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson