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[ I think immigrant enclaves will tear America apart. And these enclaves are different than the Irish ghettoes or Little Italys in that the recent immigrants don't seem to have any desire to assimilate. We have to hop their children will against the wishes of the parents. It is a country's right to regulate who comes and how many.


You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Exactly. Look at Muslims. The first generation wanted to buy into American culture, and then by third generation the grandkids are trying to buy Stinger missiles and throwing pressure cookers at marathon runners.


you would be hard pressed to find a third generation jihadist. That is 1-2 generation stuff. Third generation isn't even going to a mosque.

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good dolphin wrote:
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[ I think immigrant enclaves will tear America apart. And these enclaves are different than the Irish ghettoes or Little Italys in that the recent immigrants don't seem to have any desire to assimilate. We have to hop their children will against the wishes of the parents. It is a country's right to regulate who comes and how many.


You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Exactly. Look at Muslims. The first generation wanted to buy into American culture, and then by third generation the grandkids are trying to buy Stinger missiles and throwing pressure cookers at marathon runners.


you would be hard pressed to find a third generation jihadist. That is 1-2 generation stuff. Third generation isn't even going to a mosque.

Many attacks are from 1st generation Muslims.

Nidal Hassan, Anwar Alwalaki (&his 3rd generation son) and the Boston Marathon brothers were 2nd born you are right.

There isn't enough 3rd generation muslims in their mid 20s-30s at this moment to know what percentage will conduct atracks.

Either way you threw out JORRs argument and said todays migrants are just like old migrants (Polish or Italian). Except I don't remeber the Irish or Swedes blowing up post offices or conducting honor killings.

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good dolphin wrote:
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[ I think immigrant enclaves will tear America apart. And these enclaves are different than the Irish ghettoes or Little Italys in that the recent immigrants don't seem to have any desire to assimilate. We have to hop their children will against the wishes of the parents. It is a country's right to regulate who comes and how many.


You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Well, I think it's different because you had a Polish ancestor who insisted his kids learn English and play baseball instead of soccer which stands in stark contrast to demanding bi-lingual education or dressing a kid in a hijab. The term "melting pot" is now considered offensive.

But I do agree with you on a basic level as long as the numbers aren't overwhelming. In other words, we should welcome Haitians in America but we shouldn't welcome an attempt to recreate Haiti here.

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good dolphin wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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[ I think immigrant enclaves will tear America apart. And these enclaves are different than the Irish ghettoes or Little Italys in that the recent immigrants don't seem to have any desire to assimilate. We have to hop their children will against the wishes of the parents. It is a country's right to regulate who comes and how many.


You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Exactly. Look at Muslims. The first generation wanted to buy into American culture, and then by third generation the grandkids are trying to buy Stinger missiles and throwing pressure cookers at marathon runners.


you would be hard pressed to find a third generation jihadist. That is 1-2 generation stuff. Third generation isn't even going to a mosque.


The 3rd generation is absolutely going to the mosque for Friday prayer for sure.

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Is there a better country than ours? Other than America are there folks running from our country? Don't most people (even from places that aren't of color/shitholes) like to live here? Should we also not allow them in because their place of birth is worse than ours?


To your first question, I would say that "better" is subjective, but I do think America is unique in that once one becomes an American they are just as American as the ancestors of those who came on the Mayflower. Of course, slavery was a bump in the road and we're still trying to rectify that. When you and I were going at it awhile back you made an eloquent post about what it means to be a black American. I tried to find it without success. I liked what you wrote and I don't think anyone can claim to be more American than those who are descended from slaves. Anyway, if you're asking me, I don't think there is a better country than ours.

And of course we should take immigrants from horrible places, but we should make sure we can assimilate them. I think immigrant enclaves will tear America apart. And these enclaves are different than the Irish ghettoes or Little Italys in that the recent immigrants don't seem to have any desire to assimilate. We have to hop their children will against the wishes of the parents. It is a country's right to regulate who comes and how many.

You guys (and Ogie and others) make some good points.

I think that at some point (and everyone can call me a Nazi if they want) that the US has to move beyond the beacon-for-immigrants identity. I don't buy the argument that we need the workers since Great Depression-levels of unemployment never went away in black neighborhoods (and are now back in some other areas); if you want to be competitive, figure out how to pay people a decent wage. I get it that health-care benefits really make this hard and so many Americans workers are lazy. I know people in the construction industry and I hate it when they hire skabs or non-union people, but when they explain why, I sympathize.

I also get it that migration is what's happening, and we go through waves of migration periodically, and there's nothing you can do to stop it unless you are really brutal. I am so conflicted on this. What's more, I wish we would hire American kids to do some of these unskilled jobs--maybe connect it to tuition somehow--but we're just too good to take that janitor's job. When we die, our grandfathers, who would have shoveled shit if it meant a few extra dollars per month, are gonna choke us to death (uh, again) for being such snobs.

You talk about how great unions are but then you don't know why the younger generation has no interest in joining those union-heavy industries?

Because the younger generation wants fair pay for fair skill. Not this tenure bullshit unions are known for.

And if a company has the choice to hire an equally skilled, non-union worker, the company should be able to do so.

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Is there a better country than ours? Other than America are there folks running from our country? Don't most people (even from places that aren't of color/shitholes) like to live here? Should we also not allow them in because their place of birth is worse than ours?


To your first question, I would say that "better" is subjective, but I do think America is unique in that once one becomes an American they are just as American as the ancestors of those who came on the Mayflower. Of course, slavery was a bump in the road and we're still trying to rectify that. When you and I were going at it awhile back you made an eloquent post about what it means to be a black American. I tried to find it without success. I liked what you wrote and I don't think anyone can claim to be more American than those who are descended from slaves. Anyway, if you're asking me, I don't think there is a better country than ours.

And of course we should take immigrants from horrible places, but we should make sure we can assimilate them. I think immigrant enclaves will tear America apart. And these enclaves are different than the Irish ghettoes or Little Italys in that the recent immigrants don't seem to have any desire to assimilate. We have to hop their children will against the wishes of the parents. It is a country's right to regulate who comes and how many.

You guys (and Ogie and others) make some good points.

I think that at some point (and everyone can call me a Nazi if they want) that the US has to move beyond the beacon-for-immigrants identity. I don't buy the argument that we need the workers since Great Depression-levels of unemployment never went away in black neighborhoods (and are now back in some other areas); if you want to be competitive, figure out how to pay people a decent wage. I get it that health-care benefits really make this hard and so many Americans workers are lazy. I know people in the construction industry and I hate it when they hire skabs or non-union people, but when they explain why, I sympathize.

I also get it that migration is what's happening, and we go through waves of migration periodically, and there's nothing you can do to stop it unless you are really brutal. I am so conflicted on this. What's more, I wish we would hire American kids to do some of these unskilled jobs--maybe connect it to tuition somehow--but we're just too good to take that janitor's job. When we die, our grandfathers, who would have shoveled shit if it meant a few extra dollars per month, are gonna choke us to death (uh, again) for being such snobs.

You talk about how great unions are but then you don't know why the younger generation has no interest in joining those union-heavy industries?

Because the younger generation wants fair pay for fair skill. Not this tenure bullshit unions are known for.

And if a company has the choice to hire an equally skilled, non-union worker, the company should be able to do so.

Given the context, this comment makes no sense.
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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[ I think immigrant enclaves will tear America apart. And these enclaves are different than the Irish ghettoes or Little Italys in that the recent immigrants don't seem to have any desire to assimilate. We have to hop their children will against the wishes of the parents. It is a country's right to regulate who comes and how many.


You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Well, I think it's different because you had a Polish ancestor who insisted his kids learn English and play baseball instead of soccer which stands in stark contrast to demanding bi-lingual education or dressing a kid in a hijab. The term "melting pot" is now considered offensive.

But I do agree with you on a basic level as long as the numbers aren't overwhelming. In other words, we should welcome Haitians in America but we shouldn't welcome an attempt to recreate Haiti here.

Become American or GTFO--just like our ancestors did willingly. (Of course, some people are not really allowed to fully participate, and that's a problem as well.)

Also, it's not a given that the immigrants of the past 50 years will follow the patterns established by the immigrants of 150-75 years ago. They may and they may not.
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ToxicMasculinity wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
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[ I think immigrant enclaves will tear America apart. And these enclaves are different than the Irish ghettoes or Little Italys in that the recent immigrants don't seem to have any desire to assimilate. We have to hop their children will against the wishes of the parents. It is a country's right to regulate who comes and how many.


You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Exactly. Look at Muslims. The first generation wanted to buy into American culture, and then by third generation the grandkids are trying to buy Stinger missiles and throwing pressure cookers at marathon runners.


you would be hard pressed to find a third generation jihadist. That is 1-2 generation stuff. Third generation isn't even going to a mosque.

Many attacks are from 1st generation Muslims.

Nidal Hassan, Anwar Alwalaki (&his 3rd generation son) and the Boston Marathon brothers were 2nd born you are right.

There isn't enough 3rd generation muslims in their mid 20s-30s at this moment to know what percentage will conduct atracks.

Either way you threw out JORRs argument and said todays migrants are just like old migrants (Polish or Italian). Except I don't remeber the Irish or Swedes blowing up post offices or conducting honor killings.


Haymarket and other union organizing riots, german anarchists, etc.

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ToxicMasculinity wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
[ I think immigrant enclaves will tear America apart. And these enclaves are different than the Irish ghettoes or Little Italys in that the recent immigrants don't seem to have any desire to assimilate. We have to hop their children will against the wishes of the parents. It is a country's right to regulate who comes and how many.


You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Exactly. Look at Muslims. The first generation wanted to buy into American culture, and then by third generation the grandkids are trying to buy Stinger missiles and throwing pressure cookers at marathon runners.


you would be hard pressed to find a third generation jihadist. That is 1-2 generation stuff. Third generation isn't even going to a mosque.

Many attacks are from 1st generation Muslims.

Nidal Hassan, Anwar Alwalaki (&his 3rd generation son) and the Boston Marathon brothers were 2nd born you are right.

There isn't enough 3rd generation muslims in their mid 20s-30s at this moment to know what percentage will conduct atracks.

Either way you threw out JORRs argument and said todays migrants are just like old migrants (Polish or Italian). Except I don't remeber the Irish or Swedes blowing up post offices or conducting honor killings.


Haymarket and other union organizing riots, german anarchists, etc.


This one too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing

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[ I think immigrant enclaves will tear America apart. And these enclaves are different than the Irish ghettoes or Little Italys in that the recent immigrants don't seem to have any desire to assimilate. We have to hop their children will against the wishes of the parents. It is a country's right to regulate who comes and how many.


You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Exactly. Look at Muslims. The first generation wanted to buy into American culture, and then by third generation the grandkids are trying to buy Stinger missiles and throwing pressure cookers at marathon runners.


you would be hard pressed to find a third generation jihadist. That is 1-2 generation stuff. Third generation isn't even going to a mosque.


The 3rd generation is absolutely going to the mosque for Friday prayer for sure.


Unless you have something to support your disagreement we are both talking from personal experience. My personal experience has been far different than yours.

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You talk about how great unions are but then you don't know why the younger generation has no interest in joining those union-heavy industries?

Because the younger generation wants fair pay for fair skill. Not this tenure bullshit unions are known for.

And if a company has the choice to hire an equally skilled, non-union worker, the company should be able to do so.

Given the context, this comment makes no sense.

I'll consider that you preferring not to respond.

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good dolphin wrote:
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[ I think immigrant enclaves will tear America apart. And these enclaves are different than the Irish ghettoes or Little Italys in that the recent immigrants don't seem to have any desire to assimilate. We have to hop their children will against the wishes of the parents. It is a country's right to regulate who comes and how many.


You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Exactly. Look at Muslims. The first generation wanted to buy into American culture, and then by third generation the grandkids are trying to buy Stinger missiles and throwing pressure cookers at marathon runners.


you would be hard pressed to find a third generation jihadist. That is 1-2 generation stuff. Third generation isn't even going to a mosque.


The 3rd generation is absolutely going to the mosque for Friday prayer for sure.


Unless you have something to support your disagreement we are both talking from personal experience. My personal experience has been far different than yours.


I have/and do live in far more diverse neighborhoods than you. I have had, and do currently have Muslim neighbors. Our children have gone and currently go to school with MANY 3rd generation practicing Muslim children.

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You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Exactly. Look at Muslims. The first generation wanted to buy into American culture, and then by third generation the grandkids are trying to buy Stinger missiles and throwing pressure cookers at marathon runners.


you would be hard pressed to find a third generation jihadist. That is 1-2 generation stuff. Third generation isn't even going to a mosque.

Many attacks are from 1st generation Muslims.

Nidal Hassan, Anwar Alwalaki (&his 3rd generation son) and the Boston Marathon brothers were 2nd born you are right.

There isn't enough 3rd generation muslims in their mid 20s-30s at this moment to know what percentage will conduct atracks.

Either way you threw out JORRs argument and said todays migrants are just like old migrants (Polish or Italian). Except I don't remeber the Irish or Swedes blowing up post offices or conducting honor killings.


Haymarket and other union organizing riots, german anarchists, etc.


This one too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing


Ogie do you support open borders and migration for Israel?

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I see a lot of 3rd generation Muslims working/owning clothing stores in the inner city. They're definitely not praying. I did come across a young worker praying in Best Buy last year.

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I see a lot of 3rd generation Muslims working/owning clothing stores in the inner city. They're definitely not praying. I did come across a young worker praying in Best Buy last year.

Many third generation immigrants mostly give up on religion. Yeah freedom!

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I see a lot of 3rd generation Muslims working/owning clothing stores in the inner city. They're definitely not praying. I did come across a young worker praying in Best Buy last year.


All they need is a rug and the ability to face east.

MANY could be praying in these instances and none of us would even know it.

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I see a lot of 3rd generation Muslims working/owning clothing stores in the inner city. They're definitely not praying. I did come across a young worker praying in Best Buy last year.


All they need is a rug and the ability to face east.

MANY could be praying in these instances and none of us would even know it.


I could be wrong but these kids don't seem like the type who have any interest in praying.

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I see a lot of 3rd generation Muslims working/owning clothing stores in the inner city. They're definitely not praying. I did come across a young worker praying in Best Buy last year.


All they need is a rug and the ability to face east.

MANY could be praying in these instances and none of us would even know it.


I could be wrong but these kids don't seem like the type who have any interest in praying.

Smart?

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I see a lot of 3rd generation Muslims working/owning clothing stores in the inner city. They're definitely not praying. I did come across a young worker praying in Best Buy last year.


All they need is a rug and the ability to face east.

MANY could be praying in these instances and none of us would even know it.


I could be wrong but these kids don't seem like the type who have any interest in praying.

Smart?


:lol: Even you would say a prayer if you or someone you loved were in danger just to cover all bases. Prayer is good my friend.

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[You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Exactly. Look at Muslims. The first generation wanted to buy into American culture, and then by third generation the grandkids are trying to buy Stinger missiles and throwing pressure cookers at marathon runners.[/quote]

you would be hard pressed to find a third generation jihadist. That is 1-2 generation stuff. Third generation isn't even going to a mosque.[/quote]

The 3rd generation is absolutely going to the mosque for Friday prayer for sure.[/quote]

Unless you have something to support your disagreement we are both talking from personal experience. My personal experience has been far different than yours.[/quote]

I have/and do live in far more diverse neighborhoods than you. I have had, and do currently have Muslim neighbors. Our children have gone and currently go to school with MANY 3rd generation practicing Muslim children.[/quote]

You love your assumptions.

My kid also goes to school with many Muslims which necessarily means that I have muslim neighbors. I help to establish mosques. Not a mosque and not a handful of mosques. I have appeared on muslim radio. Leaders in the community have lamented to me that 3rd generation children aren't close to their religion.

So, as I said, my personal and at least equal experience with the subject matter to you is different but I am open to being turned if you have supporting materials

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0FaVI9ae24


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I have appeared on muslim radio.

Muslim radio, what is that, catcalling women into a microphone?

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I have appeared on muslim radio.

Muslim radio, what is that, catcalling women into a microphone?


You've amswered your own question:

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oh shit

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I help to establish mosques.


I'm not sure why but this has me laughing so hard I might piss my pants.

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I help to establish mosques.


I'm not sure why but this has me laughing so hard I might piss my pants.



I help estabish the caliphate! :lol:

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I help to establish mosques.


I'm not sure why but this has me laughing so hard I might piss my pants.


In appreciation they made me a t shirt that says “I came here to chew gum and establish mosques...and I’m all out of gum”

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good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I help to establish mosques.


I'm not sure why but this has me laughing so hard I might piss my pants.


In appreciation they made me a t shirt that says “I came here to chew gum and establish mosques...and I’m all out of gum”


:lol: :lol: This is an unexpectedly great thread.

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[You say it is different and then describe an identical situation.

The first generation here is always betwixt and between. The second generation keeps the old traditions alive for nostalgia and reverence of their ancestors but are fully immersed in the US. The third generation is embarrassed by the old traditions that are mocked by the suburban group they wish to become.


Exactly. Look at Muslims. The first generation wanted to buy into American culture, and then by third generation the grandkids are trying to buy Stinger missiles and throwing pressure cookers at marathon runners.


you would be hard pressed to find a third generation jihadist. That is 1-2 generation stuff. Third generation isn't even going to a mosque.[/quote]

The 3rd generation is absolutely going to the mosque for Friday prayer for sure.[/quote]

Unless you have something to support your disagreement we are both talking from personal experience. My personal experience has been far different than yours.[/quote]

I have/and do live in far more diverse neighborhoods than you. I have had, and do currently have Muslim neighbors. Our children have gone and currently go to school with MANY 3rd generation practicing Muslim children.[/quote]

You love your assumptions.

My kid also goes to school with many Muslims which necessarily means that I have muslim neighbors. I help to establish mosques. Not a mosque and not a handful of mosques. I have appeared on muslim radio. Leaders in the community have lamented to me that 3rd generation children aren't close to their religion.

So, as I said, my personal and at least equal experience with the subject matter to you is different but I am open to being turned if you have supporting materials[/quote]

I'm not assuming that there are not Muslims in Sauganash. Nor am I assuming that your family doesn't spend anytime with them.

Congrats on knowing some Muslim guys to the whitest guy on the board.

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I'm not assuming that there are not Muslims in Sauganash.


I think the guy that built that horrible house on the north side of Devon just west of Cicero with all the panels of animals built into the brick is a Hindu. He could be Muslim though.

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