They ignore it each and every time though. i along with Reader are the only two people that constantly harp on this. Do we also want to delve into the counter culture backlash exhibited by Conservatives during the 60's. Where was the all inclusive philosophy in that? What about the double talk regarding freedom of speech (unless it runs counter to one's political views) freedom of religion (unless one happen's to be Muslim) Freedom of Assembly (Unless one protests against the President or War) that often emanates from Republican circles. To oppose war will deem you unpatriotic remember.

Republicans have been promoters of the belief that the country is going to hell in a handbasket for a long time. There is an incessant need to constantly demonize "the others" regardess of who they happened to be


Did Trump with all of his racist and xenophobic talk attempt to quell identity politics?

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Right. I'm not really discussing identity politics. I don't agree with Republican platforms. I'm saying what the Democratic party is becoming or has become is not good and people won't vote for it.

Is she a worse person than Trump? Do you really want to argue that one?

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She received in excess of 3 million more votes than Trump though.

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Just a few days ago I supported RR on rightly criticizing the Republicans role in this...

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But you can correctly call out the Republicans while also criticizing the Democrats for it. It's not mutually exclusive. I have no issues whatsoever with a black man or woman saying they will never vote for a Republican because of the party's history. Likewise, it's hard to fault white people for voting for Republicans when Democrats only message in 2016 was that white men need to shut up and listen and stop being problematic.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Government shutdown over. Apocalypse averted.

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Elections have consequences.

She beat him by 4 million votes in California. That will always happen.

I'm not arguing identity politics and I understand why the sub groups in the Democratic party aren't voting Republican and I don't blame them. I think what I'm trying to say is the people in the midwestern states and FL that turned this specific election aren't racist. Something or someone in this election turned those votes away. I don't think or get the feeling they were on board the Trump train as much as they were off the Hillary or Democratic train.

Are you pleased the can was kicked down the road once again?

I don't think it's as big of a gap as you believe it is. Again, I don't think you realize how many people hate her. Right or not, rational or not, people hate her.

Dreamers better start looking into U-Hauls to go back to fucking Mexico

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Typically when people don't like either person they stay home. If their was such apathy for Trump he never would have been elected President. As much as people like Ogie and Jorr want to make him the default choice he really wasn't. THey had a chance to vote for 16 other people and they didn't. In fact he ran away with the primaries too. Were they all hated too? I doubt it.

There was nothing about Trump which spoke of being Presidential. As people go he is rather despicable. His treatment of minorities and small business owners is well documented. Upon being elected he was forced to settle a class action case which involved fraud.

This is what the country wanted and this is what we got. I'm comfortable with it at this juncture and a big part of me believes that he will be reelected. When he is the same apologists will be out in force attempting to pontificate on how his incumbency helped fuel his reelection. If he'd never defeated Hillary in the first place then he wouldn't be in position to be reelected. That will be part of the empty rhetoric.

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The person who started this thread must feel really stupid now.

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Why do you post?

Another Joe Orr job offer?

Nationally 2M more people voted Republican in the 2016 election than in the 2012 election. I don't think that's a huge amount nor do I think racism was the motivating factor. IMO Trump should have been dissmissed? in the primaries if a party can do that. There is nothing Presidential about Trump, but honestly I think that was a draw for some. Had it not been him or someone like him I'd consider voting again for a nonpolitical/nonpresidential/nonpolitician. I don't really know how or what happened but can offer a thought. I do know the media age we live in and I don't pay attention to politics. I could name one other person running in the primaries and nobody is voting for Ted Cruz. His celebrity, and sound bytes put him front and center. Essentially if the Republican party is what you believe it is, isn't every candidate going to have the same platform or same message?

This country didn't really want either or half wanted one and not the other or half just didn't want one of them. I don't think most people that voted for Trump wanted "him" per se. I think that is an understandable but emotional response from you.

He will be reelected if the Democratic party continues down the path it is on. It is actively turning away people that once supported it.

I completely agree with this.

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Sure joke.

Someone has to make up for your low T

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Again I agree with this. Many hate her but the best that we could come up with was Donald Trump? Donald Trump will go down as the most reprehensible human being to ever hold that office. Think about that for a second. If anyone is wondering what his legacy will be that is it. He has no redeeming qualities as a person.

If people are going to make the argument as to who the better person happens to be its Hillary hands down.

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Ah, the Panther bit. Interesting choice.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

apparently not.

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Elections have consequences.

Saint Hillary

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

The non support yet non stop defense of Trump has to be among the more conflicting of things for certain individuals on this board. It must really be difficult for them to argue for a guy that none of them seems to support. As long as they can keep the "But Hillary" "Liberal Media" and "But Obama" triangulation churning they will never be forced to admit that they simply support the clown. It is truly one of the more interesting of dynamics presently going.

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Making a woman who stayed with an obviously consistently unfaithful husband the face of the women's.... whatever was probably a bad idea.

And that she lost an election to a known womanizer.

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Was voting for a serial adultering, racist, sexual assalting, scam artist, xenophobic liar necessarily a good idea?

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Not necessarily a good idea.

Didn't need a good idea to beat HillDog.

One of these two "bad ideas" promised a large number of Americans that their job would either be secure, or return to them. That bad idea won. This is not a coincidence.

You keep insisting that millions of Americans should have voted against their own interest (relative to statements of intent by the respective candidates) in order to not elect a Bad Person, and that's just unreasonable.