It was the same point that you were bringing up, which seemed to be that those things have a reason to be regulated but football does not.
There is a mayo clinic study too. Also the Purdue study that started a lot of this was about high school players and short term memory issues. As I said though, unless you are willing to say that kids are somehow immune from the same issues being found for adults then it's all pointless anyways.
If football is as dangerous as we think it is then the government has a legitimate interest in protecting children who legally cannot consent to such dangers. So, we have to not only ignore the current studies that show that football = bad for kids, but also pretend that the studies on adults that show brain issues based on football are in no way relevant to children and what could happen to them. That would be the only way that those studies aren't also relevant. Now, if you want to make that case then go ahead but your lawyerspeak about "legitimate government interest" about an activity that is clearly damaging to the brain and played by people who cannot legally consent to that dangerous activity doesn't make sense. We don't let 12 year olds legally drop out of school either, or except in rare cases live alone, or sign a contract, or treat them as adults in criminal proceedings, and yet somehow you think you've come up with some grand rule of government that in regards to 12 year olds we have to let them do what they want?

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I agree with your second sentence here. The first sentence s funny. Are you under the impression the government doesn’t legislate that?

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I'm speaking of a strict calorie intake(limit) per day. Parents of obese children will get supervised visits from DCFS. There will be weigh-ins. Excessive violations of a weight policy will result in the child being removed from the home and sent to a fat camp. This is the society of which Brick desires.

Grasping at straws I see.

The government sets rules for minors who can't legally consent to dangerous activities. I don't think anyone disagrees with that type of thinking(besides frenchie).

That doesn't mean they should go to that extreme but it also doesn't mean we say "Hey parents, do whatever you want with your kids!".

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And poor nutrition(dangerous activity) is doing a lot more damage to kids than tackle football.

What point are you making? Poor nutrition is worse than many things we don't let 12 year olds do.

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Sliders are bad for developing elbow ligaments, but the government can't proscribe Little League. Throwing while tired is bad for developing rotator cuffs, but the government cannot proscribe 50+ game youth baseball seasons. The morbidity of UCL tears and rotator cuff surgeries are well known, and they are decidedly undesirable, but there is no legitimate government interest in preventing these things from happening.

We also have absolutely no clue the actual incidence of physiological or cognitive issues with the brain caused by football.

Many parents foster poor nutrition for their kids. Right now their is no punitive(government) action to address this(specifically taking over the decision making process of feeding the kids). Since it's more dangerous than tackle football, it's time the government get involved to control directly what these parents feed their kids.

I think you just answered your own question.

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You could make the same case for curfews or labor or dropping out of school too.

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Some good points in the discussion. It leads to more questions than definitive answers for me.

Regarding studies I would like to see more brain examination of “healthy” brains alongside Duerson types. I would also like to know if the CTE is absolutely cumulative. In other words is playing two years in HS significantly safer than the 12-16 total and NFL player plays from HS to retirement. Is it just a single injury that causes the most harm then deteriorating continues from there. As definitively as some like to post there are decent questions to ask.

On one hand I would like to know how this bill and ones like it are started. Who spearheaded it and why? Do gooder politicians? Concerned parents? A group of neurological experts?

Also the parental consent and control is interesting and not just football. Should parents be disallowed from having kids in martial arts, golden gloves, extreme sports? What about high adventure zip lining and white water rafting? I’m not trying to argue but wonder is there anything the government should not concern itself with regarding kids and sporting activities?

Btw, alcohol, tobacco and abortion are dumb to discuss here.

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I don't get the ultimate point though. Childhood obesity being the dividing line for banning unsafe activities basically lets kids do whatever they want besides smoke meth.

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There is no science that shows football to be as dangerous as all the pearl clutching regarding CTE would have you believe. Self-selection bias in a sample isn't like working in a fudge factor for error correction, it voids conclusions drawn from the observation.



Is the supposed morbidity of childhood football better or worse than bad knees and feet from cross country running, or a torn up shoulder from long seasons of baseball, or paralysis from falling on a pool deck or diving platform? How many children die a year from the brain issues associated with playing football? How many adults have their lives adversely impacted by the same? Does every single youth football player die later on from brain issues caused by playing the sport? Unless you can answer those questions, you cannot even begin to make the case for a legitimate government interest.



It's not like radiation exposure, BRick, where any single high energy light wave can mutate a DNA strand the right way to cause cancer. What does the "C" in CTE stand for again?

No, Rick, it's a simple question: Can the government criminalize a bad diet?

But childhood obesity IS a much bigger problem than tackle football. If the state is trying to ban tackle football why isn’t it fair to point out the much bigger and more significant issues they are ignoring?

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Anyone who wants to argue it can.

We aren't letting 12 year olds drop out of school because of it though.

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Criminalizing behavior always works.

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MOAR GOVERNMENT!

They could at least in certain ways.

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Brick is definitely the fat kid Ron Paul schooled on the Morton Downey show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi1nxu-Sy-w

Yea it hasn't been good for Brick in this thread. None of his examples have resonated at all. SHOULD KIDS BE ALLOWED TO MURDER???? YOU DECIDE. He's just lampooning himself. It's sad that he's the majority of the country though. No way out for the rest of you, you either become burritos yourself or suffer the consequences.

Communism isn't pretty guys. They kill those who resist.

My examples haven't been refuted at all. We limit unsafe activities by minors we let adults do because we don't let them consent. This is no different.

Your act is getting tiresome. I assume you think it's funny but you've went from interesting poster to a guy saying the same innane ramblings over and over. Enjoy France and I hope it works out better for you.

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If we have laws to protect our kids (ostensibly) from alcohol and tobacco, then I seen no reason not to protect them from getting their brain thrown around.

Yea football is a closed arena. It's all between the lines. You don't just walk up to someone on the street and play football with them to rattle their brain. Everyone on the field is playing by the same rules. It's not analogous to broader society.

You know what other act is tiresome? The one where you're a giant fucking pussy about everything. I'm really glad you had children, I'm sure they're being raised great. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll reject their pathetic burrito of a father and find their own way. Not holding my breath.

Well I didn't flee the country because gay people have equal rights so I'm tougher than you.

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No rational basis for legislation by the government.

There are doctors that will claim vacinnes cause autism too.

But hey, maybe we will learn that football doesn't cause CTE. The NFL is desperate to find it so it should be coming soon.

I'll bet on football is bad for brains being true though. I guess Bob and JLN are going with not dangerous.

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No, I'm saying the current science doesn't make enough of a case for the government to claim their regulation is rationally related to a legitimate interest.

Does your last statement mean anything really though? I can certainly understand your concern for the brains of America’s youth. Your “I’ll bet” comment though is dismissive and lacking in fact. You also throw in the autism/vaccine comment just to add some more sweet sugary arrogance.

Without drawing any conclusions at all you can see there is some imperfection of CTE research without look really hard.

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