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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:34 pm 
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And I agree with Bagels. I don't know a single baseball fan who complains about the length of the games. Sometimes I root for extra innings.


I'm one. Excessive mound visits by the catcher, infielders, pitching coach have to be greatly reduced imo. The notion of relievers coming to face only one batter(except the potential last one) is contrary to any sport any of us grew up playing and is mightily abused by geniuses like Merlot Joe or the drunken LaRussa. Hitters sepping in and out, making glove and crotch adjustments has already rightly been raised.

and unless your team is losing, who roots for extra innings in today's baseball?

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The length of the game doesn't really matter but baseball has so much downtime that just isn't needed. Fox goes as far as trying to fill it with crowd shots for about half the time.


Baseball isn't a TV show. The "downtime" is when baseball fans talk to each other.
I'm going to give you one chance to take back the "when baseball fans talk to each other" statement.

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Replay has it's purpose, but when it delays a game for 4-5+ minutes to see if a guy's fingertip came off of the bag for barely a split second as he slides in is just terrible.

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The length of the game doesn't really matter but baseball has so much downtime that just isn't needed. Fox goes as far as trying to fill it with crowd shots for about half the time.


Baseball isn't a TV show. The "downtime" is when baseball fans talk to each other.


Baseball is every bit a TV show as football, the nightly news or Shark Tank are.

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The NFL has gotten even worse. 98 times out of 100, when a baseball is out of the ball park, you know it's a home run.

Nearly every single touchdown catch, the game comes to a dead stop as the zebras gather round to see if a guy bobbled the ball, or got 2 feet in, or made a football move, or whatever else the stupid rulebook says. Its not even fun when that happens.

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Although the "california" rule for MLB is dumb, the length of games is an issue. I love baseball and will watch no matter how long they are, but most people aren't going to set aside 3.5 hours for games that are played every day of the week. It seemed like if you got through a playoff game last fall in under 4 hours it was a miracle (probably an exaggeration, but not by much).


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The NFL has gotten even worse. 98 times out of 100, when a baseball is out of the ball park, you know it's a home run.

Nearly every single touchdown catch, the game comes to a dead stop as the zebras gather round to see if a guy bobbled the ball, or got 2 feet in, or made a football move, or whatever else the stupid rulebook says. Its not even fun when that happens.

The NFL is supposedly working hard on those two things in the offseason.

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:lol: I know. Somehow, it will end up being worse.

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The length of the game doesn't really matter but baseball has so much downtime that just isn't needed. Fox goes as far as trying to fill it with crowd shots for about half the time.


Baseball isn't a TV show. The "downtime" is when baseball fans talk to each other.


Baseball is every bit a TV show as football, the nightly news or Shark Tank are.


Nope. Without TV nobody would even watch football.

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 Post subject: Re: Finish Baseball
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
And I agree with Bagels. I don't know a single baseball fan who complains about the length of the games. Sometimes I root for extra innings.


I'm one. Excessive mound visits by the catcher, infielders, pitching coach have to be greatly reduced imo. The notion of relievers coming to face only one batter(except the potential last one) is contrary to any sport any of us grew up playing and is mightily abused by geniuses like Merlot Joe or the drunken LaRussa. Hitters sepping in and out, making glove and crotch adjustments has already rightly been raised.

and unless your team is losing, who roots for extra innings in today's baseball?


You sound like you hate baseball. :lol:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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And I agree with Bagels. I don't know a single baseball fan who complains about the length of the games. Sometimes I root for extra innings.


I'm one. Excessive mound visits by the catcher, infielders, pitching coach have to be greatly reduced imo. The notion of relievers coming to face only one batter(except the potential last one) is contrary to any sport any of us grew up playing and is mightily abused by geniuses like Merlot Joe or the drunken LaRussa. Hitters sepping in and out, making glove and crotch adjustments has already rightly been raised.

and unless your team is losing, who roots for extra innings in today's baseball?


You sound like you hate baseball. :lol:


I'm perceived to hate so much, I can see that as well :lol: :lol:

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Baseball has not done one thing right in the last 10 or so years that I can think of.

-Replay? Disaster. Has really killed a lot of the magic of the game. "Wait for the replay" is the worst thing to happen to the game since 1919.
-The CBA has basically created a league where half the teams are actively trying to lose because rebuilding like that just works. It sucks. Competitive balance is dying, its basically a 12-15 team league.
-Every effort to speed up the game has been shit. Every single one, the games dont feel any shorter.
-Two wild cards per league with the dumb playoff has made even more teams shy to compete. There are basically 3 playoff spots in each league.
-Luxury tax has created a glut of free agents. The natural top-of-the-foodchain franchises cannot spend to open up the market. Everyone is OBSESSED with contract obligations
-No more homeplate collisions is faggotry

They are lucky they have such a great game because if the NFL or NBA was this clueless those leagues would basically be folded. Still, trying desperately to ruin it is dumb. I hate all of this. What did baseball do to deserve all this shit?



Spot on.

And I agree with Bagels. I don't know a single baseball fan who complains about the length of the games. Sometimes I root for extra innings.


Can't you be a baseball fan AND want the games to be shorter, and played at a better pace? I don't think those things are mutually exclusive in any way shape or form.

It is undeniable that there is a group of people who dislike the TV baseball viewing experience, young people.

Average age of a MLB viewer - 57, (it was 53 a decade ago), NFL - 50, and the NBA - 42.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The length of the game doesn't really matter but baseball has so much downtime that just isn't needed. Fox goes as far as trying to fill it with crowd shots for about half the time.


Baseball isn't a TV show. The "downtime" is when baseball fans talk to each other.
I'm going to give you one chance to take back the "when baseball fans talk to each other" statement.

JORR,
Do you take this statement back, because I'm going to use it A LOT if you don't.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
And I agree with Bagels. I don't know a single baseball fan who complains about the length of the games. Sometimes I root for extra innings.


I'm one. Excessive mound visits by the catcher, infielders, pitching coach have to be greatly reduced imo. The notion of relievers coming to face only one batter(except the potential last one) is contrary to any sport any of us grew up playing and is mightily abused by geniuses like Merlot Joe or the drunken LaRussa. Hitters sepping in and out, making glove and crotch adjustments has already rightly been raised.

and unless your team is losing, who roots for extra innings in today's baseball?


You're a liberal snowflake that complains about everything, so you don't count.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The length of the game doesn't really matter but baseball has so much downtime that just isn't needed. Fox goes as far as trying to fill it with crowd shots for about half the time.


Baseball isn't a TV show. The "downtime" is when baseball fans talk to each other.
I'm going to give you one chance to take back the "when baseball fans talk to each other" statement.

JORR,
Do you take this statement back, because I'm going to use it A LOT if you don't.


Use it however you want. The conversations that take place while watching baseball are part of the charm of the game.

Don't get angry. Enjoy your commercials. DILLY, DILLY!

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Baseball and hockey are more live event than TV show while the inverse is true for football. You could even argue that baseball telecasts are tertiary to live and radio; the game has always lent itself to radio better than television.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The length of the game doesn't really matter but baseball has so much downtime that just isn't needed. Fox goes as far as trying to fill it with crowd shots for about half the time.


Baseball isn't a TV show. The "downtime" is when baseball fans talk to each other.
I'm going to give you one chance to take back the "when baseball fans talk to each other" statement.

JORR,
Do you take this statement back, because I'm going to use it A LOT if you don't.


Use it however you want. The conversations that take place while watching baseball are part of the charm of the game.

Don't get angry. Enjoy your commercials. DILLY, DILLY!
You have mentioned multiple times about how football's popularity comes from the social aspect of getting together with others. Oops!

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also, i thought this was Finnish baseball at first....thought it was gonna be a thread about baseball players in Finland and i was disappointed

:lol: That is what I thought it said all day. I ignored it. I got bored and finally clicked on it.

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And I agree with Bagels. I don't know a single baseball fan who complains about the length of the games. Sometimes I root for extra innings.


I'm one. Excessive mound visits by the catcher, infielders, pitching coach have to be greatly reduced imo. The notion of relievers coming to face only one batter(except the potential last one) is contrary to any sport any of us grew up playing and is mightily abused by geniuses like Merlot Joe or the drunken LaRussa. Hitters sepping in and out, making glove and crotch adjustments has already rightly been raised.

and unless your team is losing, who roots for extra innings in today's baseball?


Agreed.

Until the Cubs became interesting again, I wasn't even watching baseball anymore. Too long, slow, and boring. Nowadays I only find myself watching day games since I can catch the end. And I never actually watch the game as much as I have it on in the background and pay attention during high leverage moments.

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i honestly don't get the "speed up the game" thing that is constantly being talked about

if you're a fan, do you honestly care if the game is 3 hours and 2 minutes or 3 hours and 11 minutes ? It's not like they're ever going to be able to shave 1 hour off the game, we're talking minutes

and on the other side if you aren't a big fan, is the fact that a game is now 10 minutes 'quicker' going to suddenly get you to watch more games ? plus before you went making radical changes like this extra inning baserunner, you could probably limit catcher trips to the mound and other stuff like that first.
I don't think its the time of the game, its the pace of play. Limiting catchers' visits to the mound and the amount of time hitters have to step out of the box and adjust their batting gloves on every pitch would drastically help the pace of play.

they tried to keep the batters in the box, but it eventually went by the wayside. 1 Mound visit per inning, from anyone. Period. Make it strategic, like timeouts in other sports. And put in a pitch clock, keeping the batter in the box.

I've become so frustrated over how long the games last. I guess I'm getting old.

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baseball is fine as it is and should be left alone.

but if they want to limit mound visits and even put in a pitch clock that is fine. but if they do the stupid deal of putting a runner on second base in extra innings in real games then someone should be shot. that is beyond stupid.

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baseball is fine as it is and should be left alone.

but if they want to limit mound visits and even put in a pitch clock that is fine. but if they do the stupid deal of putting a runner on second base in extra innings in real games then someone should be shot. that is beyond stupid.


Baseball was fine in 1981 when games lasted two and 1/2 hours and should have been left alone then.

Obviously something has happened organically or intentionally to increase the game to three hours.

I'm not for radicalizing the game, but I don't think there is a problem with looking for ways to improve the pace of play and shorten the overall duration of an actual game.


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Obviously something has happened organically or intentionally to increase the game to three hours.
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The length of the game doesn't really matter but baseball has so much downtime that just isn't needed. Fox goes as far as trying to fill it with crowd shots for about half the time.


Baseball isn't a TV show. The "downtime" is when baseball fans talk to each other.
I'm going to give you one chance to take back the "when baseball fans talk to each other" statement.

JORR,
Do you take this statement back, because I'm going to use it A LOT if you don't.


Use it however you want. The conversations that take place while watching baseball are part of the charm of the game.

Don't get angry. Enjoy your commercials. DILLY, DILLY!
You have mentioned multiple times about how football's popularity comes from the social aspect of getting together with others. Oops!


To watch a TV show! You could just as easily throw a Walking Dead party.

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also, i thought this was Finnish baseball at first....thought it was gonna be a thread about baseball players in Finland and i was disappointed

:lol: That is what I thought it said all day. I ignored it. I got bored and finally clicked on it.


You guys both hate newper.

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Extra innings should start with bases loaded, 3-2 count and 2 outs.



Or

Limit mound visits (catcher or coach) to one per inning and drop reliever warm ups from 9 to 3.

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Speed up the game:

1) Eliminate replay.
2) Second mound visit- BY ANYONE- pitcher must be removed.
3) Call real strikezone- letters to knees.

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Speed up the game:

1) Eliminate replay.
2) Second mound visit- BY ANYONE- pitcher must be removed.
3) Call real strikezone- letters to knees.

I'm on board. Would you use technology to help to enforce the strike zone?

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To watch a TV show! You could just as easily throw a Walking Dead party.
...and you could go to a public park!

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Speed up the game:

1) Eliminate replay.
2) Second mound visit- BY ANYONE- pitcher must be removed.
3) Call real strikezone- letters to knees.


Also, eliminate the 8 warmup pitches for relievers...give them one or two.

Regarding an electronic strikezone, how would they work it for the vertical dimension considering different heights of batters?

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