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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:54 pm 
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Speed up the game:

1) Eliminate replay.
2) Second mound visit- BY ANYONE- pitcher must be removed.
3) Call real strikezone- letters to knees.


Relief pitcher has 60 seconds to throw his first pitch from the moment the manager leaves the dugout. This deal where the manager saunters out to the mound, casually converses with team, calls for reliever, reliever loafs to the mound and takes his 8 warmup pitches, before the game starts again is just laborious.


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Extra innings should start with bases loaded, 3-2 count and 2 outs.



Or

Limit mound visits (catcher or coach) to one per inning and drop reliever warm ups from 9 to 3.

And split screen ads.


First team to get a hit or walk wins. I like it!

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Extra innings should start with bases loaded, 3-2 count and 2 outs.



Or

Limit mound visits (catcher or coach) to one per inning and drop reliever warm ups from 9 to 3.

And split screen ads.


First team to get a hit or walk wins. I like it!


This confirms just how bad an idea that is! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Finish Baseball
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Every extra inning you need to remove one player from the field until you are left with 3. The fences will be moved in 20 feet each inning. If they are still tied, then it goes to HR with each team choosing their best HR hitter to swing at 10 pitches thrown by the bullpen coaches. If they are still tied, the game will be decided by timing one lap around the bases by each teams bat boy.


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Every extra inning you need to remove one player from the field until you are left with 3. The fences will be moved in 20 feet each inning. If they are still tied, then it goes to HR with each team choosing their best HR hitter to swing at 10 pitches thrown by the bullpen coaches. If they are still tied, the game will be decided by timing one lap around the bases by each teams bat boy.

I don't think this ridiculous parody is as far away from reality as it should be.

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I’d be happy with limiting mound visits and requiring each pitcher pitch to at least 3 batters. Nothing is worse than 3 pitching changes in an inning. I loathe seeing a pitcher come in for one batter, see him walk that batter, and then another pitching change.


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I’d be happy with limiting mound visits and requiring each pitcher pitch to at least 3 batters. Nothing is worse than 3 pitching changes in an inning. I loathe seeing a pitcher come in for one batter, see him walk that batter, and then another pitching change.

Why do you hate LOOGies?

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I’d be happy with limiting mound visits and requiring each pitcher pitch to at least 3 batters. Nothing is worse than 3 pitching changes in an inning. I loathe seeing a pitcher come in for one batter, see him walk that batter, and then another pitching change.



No pitching changes during the inning except for injury. If a change is made due to injury, that pitcher must go on the DL immediately after the game.


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Let Kyle Schwarber use a Rascal to get on and off the field.

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 Post subject: Re: Finish Baseball
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
TurdFerguson wrote:
I’d be happy with limiting mound visits and requiring each pitcher pitch to at least 3 batters. Nothing is worse than 3 pitching changes in an inning. I loathe seeing a pitcher come in for one batter, see him walk that batter, and then another pitching change.



No pitching changes during the inning except for injury. If a change is made due to injury, that pitcher must go on the DL immediately after the game.


Willing to say that goes to far. I don’t want a DL stint from a guying throwing 45 pitches in an inning.

Or even if you start an inning, or come in during an inning you go three batters or finish the inning. Any pitcher can be pulled between innings.


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TurdFerguson wrote:
I’d be happy with limiting mound visits and requiring each pitcher pitch to at least 3 batters. Nothing is worse than 3 pitching changes in an inning. I loathe seeing a pitcher come in for one batter, see him walk that batter, and then another pitching change.


Even worse is when the pitcher strikes out the batter(s), and then gets removed for an ostensibly better matchup on the next hitter.

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 Post subject: Re: Finish Baseball
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TurdFerguson wrote:
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TurdFerguson wrote:
I’d be happy with limiting mound visits and requiring each pitcher pitch to at least 3 batters. Nothing is worse than 3 pitching changes in an inning. I loathe seeing a pitcher come in for one batter, see him walk that batter, and then another pitching change.



No pitching changes during the inning except for injury. If a change is made due to injury, that pitcher must go on the DL immediately after the game.


Willing to say that goes to far. I don’t want a DL stint from a guying throwing 45 pitches in an inning.

Or even if you start an inning, or come in during an inning you go three batters or finish the inning. Any pitcher can be pulled between innings.

These are both incredibly stupid ideas.

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My rule change for pitching would be that after the first two trips to the mound in an inning, they must wait for three batters for the next trips that inning.

I would love relegation, it it is not going to happen. So instead:
- The last place team in each division has to pay a fine of $5M the first year, $10M each consecutive year after that
- The winning WS team gets all the fine money plus 1/4 of the luxury tax money. Half gets added to the players' share, half goes to the owners as immediate profit.
- Owners can give players incentives on team events, such as making the WS.

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Let Kyle Schwarber use a Rascal to get on and off the field.


Come on Brick you are better than that
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 Post subject: Re: Finish Baseball
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Extending the netting was probably the best thing they did. I know hockey people bitched about it when they did that in hockey, but it honestly saved so many fans from getting jacked up, and now it is just the normal way of life in the sport. Yeah, you say pay attention, but if a broken bat comes flying at you and you are surrounded by other people, there's only so much you can possibly do to protect yourself and your loved ones.

Time of game is too long, but that is more due to the commercials between every half inning, the increased use of relief pitchers and their warm-ups, increase in mound visits from pitching coach and catcher, and building the ballparks to be more offensive friendly. I agree with others... calling for an intentional walk saves you 40 seconds in a game maybe? Who cares when the game takes 3 hours and 20 minutes. If they are really interested in decreasing the time, they are going to need to take some radical steps to change the game which the players and coaches will not like.

Another issue baseball has that other sports don't is that they want the game now to be the same as the game in the 1930s so we can compare stats across eras.... obviously the game has changed considerably, but they won't want to go to a 7 inning game or change substitution rules because of the "integrity" of the game. Baseball is the only sport where the nostalgia counts, and if you mess with it, you might be messing with people wanting to watch the game.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Speed up the game:

1) Eliminate replay.
2) Second mound visit- BY ANYONE- pitcher must be removed.
3) Call real strikezone- letters to knees.

This is the right idea mostly. If baseball wants to be the Greatest Game it needs to be itself. The best thing this sport can do is reset the clock to 1980. The mound visit rule is interesting, but I'd amend it to only include people from the dugout. If a 2b wants to quickly check on something with the pitcher it shouldn't be penalized.

Eliminating replay would INSTANTLY make baseball the most popular sport in the USA. Maybe even the world. Soccer is quite gay and I am certain baseball can unseat it in Asia/Oceania with little effort IF (and only IF) baseball embraces it's true character.

It was always supposed to be the world's game, a type of poetry in sport. I wish they people in charge of it realized that.


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 Post subject: Re: Finish Baseball
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I’m fine with baseball the way it is. I don't get to watch as much as I once did but I don't think speeding the game up will make people want to watch it on tv more.

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Its already a pivotal part of girls/womens' fastpitch softball.

Its called "International Tie-breaker Rules".

Some variations also begin each batter with a 1-1 count.

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Yeah. You know what else is a big part of girl's softball? Underhand pitching, cheers, and helmets with facemasks.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Let Kyle Schwarber use a Rascal to get on and off the field.


Come on Brick you are better than that
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You may have not gotten the joke but it is because he is fat and slow and unathletic.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Speed up the game:

1) Eliminate replay.
2) Second mound visit- BY ANYONE- pitcher must be removed.
3) Call real strikezone- letters to knees.

These are the most reasonable and doable suggestions. The mound visits are the biggest thing that needs to be nipped in the bud.

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Move the start time of weekday games to 6:40.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Speed up the game:

1) Eliminate replay.
2) Second mound visit- BY ANYONE- pitcher must be removed.
3) Call real strikezone- letters to knees.

These are the most reasonable and doable suggestions. The mound visits are the biggest thing that needs to be nipped in the bud.


Completely agree, but would revise #2...it's not the mound visits...it's the ridiculous number of pitching changes. I absolutely cannot stand the use of RH / LH specialists. More than 4 pitchers in a 9 inning game is ridiculous.

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Four pitchers in a nine inning game is not necessarily a problem at all. In fact, if your starter goes 6, and then you have guys ready to go for the 7th, 8th, 9th, it adds virtually no time to the game.

Four relief pitchers used over the course of say six outs is what drags out the games.

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That's exactly my point.
SP 1-6
1 reliever in 7
1 relieve in 8
1 closer.

4 pitchers total....shit...I could live with 5 but this nonsense of 3 pitching changes in one inning has got to stop.

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Douchebag wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Speed up the game:

1) Eliminate replay.
2) Second mound visit- BY ANYONE- pitcher must be removed.
3) Call real strikezone- letters to knees.

These are the most reasonable and doable suggestions. The mound visits are the biggest thing that needs to be nipped in the bud.


Completely agree, but would revise #2...it's not the mound visits...it's the ridiculous number of pitching changes. I absolutely cannot stand the use of RH / LH specialists. More than 4 pitchers in a 9 inning game is ridiculous.

Changing the structure of the game is a terrible idea. I don't want the rules changed where your pitcher is stuck on the mound just getting shelled. That's idiotic. Making reasonable changes like JORR listed above would shorten the average by about 20-30 mins.

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Really good stuff here on how pennies make pounds with length of game:


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Time between pitches is the primary villain. I tallied up all the pitches in both games that we’ll call inaction pitches — pitches that resulted in a ball, called strike, or swinging strike, but didn’t result in the end of an at-bat or the advancement of a runner. These are the pitches where the catcher caught the ball and threw it back to the pitcher, whose next step was to throw it back to the catcher. Foul balls didn’t count. The fourth ball of a plate appearance didn’t count. Stolen bases didn’t count. Wild pitches didn’t count. Just the pitches where contact wasn’t made, and the pitcher received a return throw from the catcher.

There were 146 inaction pitches in the 1984 game.

There were 144 of these pitches in the 2014 game.

The total time for the inaction pitches in 1984 — the elapsed time between a pitcher releasing one pitch and his release of the next pitch — was 32 minutes and 47 seconds.

The total time for inaction pitches in 2014 was 57 minutes and 41 seconds.

This is how a game can have an almost identical number of pitches thrown, batters faced, baserunners, hits, walks, strikeouts, and runs scored compared to another game, yet take more than a half-hour longer. This, plus the modest difference in commercial breaks, explains nearly everything. It took nine seconds longer for a pitcher to get rid of the ball in 2014.

In the 1984 game, there were 70 inaction pitches that were returned to the pitcher and thrown back to the plate within 15 seconds.

In the 2014 game, there were 10.

In the 1984 game, there were 32 balls, called strikes, or swinging strikes that took 20 seconds or more between pitches

In 2014, there were 87 balls, called strikes, or swinging strikes that took 20 seconds or more between pitches.

That’s it. That’s the secret. It isn’t just the commercials. It isn’t just the left-handed pitchers coming in to face one batter, even though that absolutely makes a huge difference in the games when that does happen.

It’s not like every at-bat in the 2014 game was rotten with hitters doing a Nomar Garciaparra impression between pitches, either. It was a marked difference in the modern players doing absolutely nothing of note. The batter taking an extra breath before he steps back in. The pitcher holding the ball for an extra beat.

There was a video review that took four minutes in the 2014 game, but that wasn’t the biggest problem. There were extra commercials, but that wasn’t the biggest problem. The difference between the two games, 30 years apart, was that baseball players are lollygagging more. Or, at least, taking their sweet time to collect their thoughts.

The good news? There’s an easy fix. Baseball is already experimenting with pitch clocks in the minors, and I haven’t heard or read a complaint about them from anyone who regularly attends minor league games. They’re in the background. You get used to them. That’s it.

Baseball will keep trying different ideas, from limiting pickoff throws to limiting mound visits. They’ve already messed with intentional walks, and umpire reviews are going to be less accurate but shorter. The 2014 game didn’t feature the new rules preventing hitters from stepping entirely out of the batter’s box on inaction pitches, which has already helped a bit.

Based on one unscientific deep dive into a pair of similar games, though, the biggest problem with the pace of play is, well, the pace of play. Pitchers don’t get rid of the ball like they used to. Hitters aren’t expecting them to get rid of the ball like they used to. It adds a couple minutes to every half-inning, which adds close to a half-hour.

Fix that, and you have a head start on what Major League Baseball believes is its biggest problem.

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