It is currently Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:28 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 210 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 7  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 23548
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Regular Reader wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Pablum. Says absolutely nothing as to the origins of the basis to find surveillance of Carter Page proper and continued from it's beginnings in 2013. Pure politics.

But you really wonder about Carter Page's real role in the campaign and how his company is funded. Money laundering anyone?


They extended the warrant like 4 times. Carter Page is either the dumbest person in America or a criminal.


Do you really not see the issue here? Each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause, and Rod Rosenstein approved an application that used the DNC-funded dossier as that "reasonable amount of suspicion" but didn't tell the FISC judge about it. That's absolutely unnerving. People can dig up dirt on you and present it to the DOJ who can put it on a secret application to a secret court to surveil you.


He's been under FBI counterintelligence investigation since 2013 and actively spoke against American policy here and in Russia for years, but this simplistic memo encourages MANY to ignore that. If the actual surveillance petition was between 100-400 pages long (& the Steele dossier is only 32 pages)what's missing from this fraud, and why are you so willing to ignore it?


Why are you so willing to ignore the central issue here? It is NOT that the FBI lacked sufficient evidence to investigate or otherwise substantiate probable cause, that IS. NOT. THE. ISSUE. HERE.

The fact that Steele's dossier was presented to the FISC judge without the caveat that the dossier was opposition research for a political campaign, and the guy who signed off on one of those applications is presently presiding over the independent counsel and approving all of his actions IS. THE. ISSUE. HERE.


How do you know if the judge raised that concerns himself, or not? Your typically politically motivated assumptions are showing.

THE. ISSUE. HERE. IS. COMPLETE. TRANSPARENCY. Not the juvenile cherry picking on display here.


Still missing core concept, classic.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Still missing core concept, classic.

JLN ALWAYS has it figured out. Except for the 99% he's confused. :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
Kirkwood wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Still missing core concept, classic.

JLN ALWAYS has it figured out. Except for the 99% he's confused. :lol:


Consistency is his strong suit.

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 23548
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Regular Reader wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Still missing core concept, classic.

JLN ALWAYS has it figured out. Except for the 99% he's confused. :lol:


Consistency is his strong suit.


Approving the application is the issue, Reader, not the granting of the warrant (I still have a fundamental problem with FISC in general, and especially with its use against Americans, but this is only tangentially about that).

Rosenstein, who now presides over Mueller, approved an application to extend a surveillance warrant which at least in part used political opposition research as the underpinning of probable cause, but neglected to mention who commissioned said dossier.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 40940
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
So, what is the fallout?

_________________
Elections have consequences.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
pittmike wrote:
So, what is the fallout?


Nothing.

Everything will continue just as it did yesterday.

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 am
Posts: 42094
Location: Rock Ridge (splendid!)
pizza_Place: Charlie Fox's / Paisano's
Robert Muller: Republican.
James Comey: Republican.
Rosenstein: Republican. Trump appointee.
Wray: Republican. Trump appointee.
Sessions: Republican. Trump appointee.
FBI: Most conservative institution in the nation from its inception.

It's a vast left-wing conspiracy!!!


pittmike wrote:
So, what is Fallout?

A series of some of the most excellent video games ever created by man.

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 23548
pizza_Place: Giordano's
pittmike wrote:
So, what is the fallout?


Trump should wait for the Dem memo to trickle through whatever the "11G" process Ryan referenced, but I think this would be cause to fire Rosenstein, and that's the best, most probably-not-illegal-or-corrupt way to end the Mueller investigation available.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
pittmike wrote:
So, what is the fallout?

nothing. well scratch that, seacrest will chime in with a cryptic condescending comment. then we can consider the matter officially closed.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 am
Posts: 42094
Location: Rock Ridge (splendid!)
pizza_Place: Charlie Fox's / Paisano's
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So, what is the fallout?


Trump should wait for the Dem memo to trickle through whatever the "11G" process Ryan referenced, but I think this would be cause to fire Rosenstein, and that's the best, most probably-not-illegal-or-corrupt way to end the Mueller investigation available.

I would absolutely agree that your take is likely the current plan ... though it's not remotely above being termed 'corrupt'.

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:31 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
MANY are always so angry and defensive. It has to be unhealthy. Sad!

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
http://thehill.com/policy/national-secu ... ssion=true

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43866
pittmike wrote:
So, what is the fallout?

Nothing. You will continue to ask stupid questions.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:34 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 23548
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Don Tiny wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So, what is the fallout?


Trump should wait for the Dem memo to trickle through whatever the "11G" process Ryan referenced, but I think this would be cause to fire Rosenstein, and that's the best, most probably-not-illegal-or-corrupt way to end the Mueller investigation available.

I would absolutely agree that your take is likely the current plan ... though it's not remotely above being termed 'corrupt'.


Yeah, people are definitely going to try to pain it as such, and I can't deny how it looks like that. Still, though, it's probably better to set the precedent that it's not acceptable professional practice to use political opposition research as part of your probable cause on an application for a warrant to spy on a US Citizen. If Trump can just stick to that talking point, and not make it about himself ( :lol: ) people will have to eventually accept that he's right.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 40940
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
I would assume this "Dossier" is now toxic in terms of trying to convict anyone of anything. A quick glance would make it appear that this Steele guy, funded as he was, and so desperate to stop Trump could or would have "compiled" anything.

The special investigation is all borne of this. After the election they cast out the nets looking for anything to get Trump to slip up and hang himself. They ended up with Mueller to try to help him along. The only people in trouble are the ones that got caught up lying during the investigation and/or already panicked and plead guilty.

_________________
Elections have consequences.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 23548
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Terry's Peeps wrote:
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/372043-memo-papadopoulos-info-triggered-fbis-russia-investigation?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true


Leave it to the country which started as a penal colony to drop the dime on someone else.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 23548
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Also, the FBI and Dems should really stop referring to this as a "counterintelligence investigation", because that's one of the more nuanced points some believe can also nix Mueller's probe.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 40940
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
Douchebag wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So, what is the fallout?

Nothing. You will continue to ask stupid questions.



Thanks as always for your thoughtful addition to the conversation.

_________________
Elections have consequences.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Douchebag wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So, what is the fallout?

Nothing. You will continue to ask stupid questions.

i prefer the posts where it goes: "i know nothing about XYZ topic but i will write 2 paragraphs of my opinion on said unfamiliar topic"


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 40940
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
Kirkwood wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So, what is the fallout?

Nothing. You will continue to ask stupid questions.

i prefer the posts where it goes: "i know nothing about XYZ topic but i will write 2 paragraphs of my opinion on said unfamiliar topic"


Thanks to you as well fatso.

_________________
Elections have consequences.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 am
Posts: 42094
Location: Rock Ridge (splendid!)
pizza_Place: Charlie Fox's / Paisano's
Kirkwood wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So, what is the fallout?

Nothing. You will continue to ask stupid questions.

i prefer the posts where it goes: "i know nothing about XYZ topic but i will write 2 paragraphs of my opinion on said unfamiliar topic"

Leave Spaulding alone.

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
pittmike wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So, what is the fallout?

Nothing. You will continue to ask stupid questions.

i prefer the posts where it goes: "i know nothing about XYZ topic but i will write 2 paragraphs of my opinion on said unfamiliar topic"


Thanks to you as well fatso.

:lol:

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:51 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:46 pm
Posts: 33906
pizza_Place: Gioacchino's
Don Tiny wrote:
Leave Spaulding alone.


I'm still better than most of the blithering idiots here that write 2 paragraphs thinking they know something but have no clue.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 23548
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Spaulding wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Leave Spaulding alone.


I'm still better than most of the blithering idiots here that write 2 paragraphs thinking they know something but have no clue.


Spaulding taking shots at MANY.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 40940
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
Spaulding wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Leave Spaulding alone.


I'm still better than most of the blithering idiots here that write 2 paragraphs thinking they know something but have no clue.



Some here cannot grasp that when giving an opinion that you might not have expert knowledge of you might use some manner of posting so as to not appear as a know it all, arrogant assbag. Example: I don't really know a lot about this latest breakthrough in <insert subject> but I think... On the other habd the know it all, arrogant, assbag starts: Clearly, you must derive this because I have said so...

_________________
Elections have consequences.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:10 am
Posts: 31948
donspiracy wrote:
Well, this memo certainly won't end the investigation. Rod Rosenstein getting fired won't end the investigation.

If this special counsel is BS, why are people pleading guilty to the charges?



Somehow that is lost in all of this. Its obvious from the pleas being copped that there is a greater target to be had in this. Whether its Trump or not is anyone's guess. Not out of bounds to presume that it is him or someone close to him though.

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
This is going to reach a head pretty soon.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
pittmike wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Leave Spaulding alone.


I'm still better than most of the blithering idiots here that write 2 paragraphs thinking they know something but have no clue.



Some here cannot grasp that when giving an opinion that you might not have expert knowledge of you might use some manner of posting so as to not appear as a know it all, arrogant assbag. Example: I don't really know a lot about this latest breakthrough in <insert subject> but I think... On the other habd the know it all, arrogant, assbag starts: Clearly, you must derive this because I have said so...


Shots fired at JLN!

Wow.

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 23548
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Terry's Peeps wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Leave Spaulding alone.


I'm still better than most of the blithering idiots here that write 2 paragraphs thinking they know something but have no clue.



Some here cannot grasp that when giving an opinion that you might not have expert knowledge of you might use some manner of posting so as to not appear as a know it all, arrogant assbag. Example: I don't really know a lot about this latest breakthrough in <insert subject> but I think... On the other habd the know it all, arrogant, assbag starts: Clearly, you must derive this because I have said so...


Shots fired at JLN!

Wow.


As a know it all, arrogant, assbag, I must say I'm offended. Please stop offering up such offensive caricatures.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
:lol:

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Nunes Memo
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 am
Posts: 42094
Location: Rock Ridge (splendid!)
pizza_Place: Charlie Fox's / Paisano's
Spaulding wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Leave Spaulding alone.


I'm still better than most of the blithering idiots here that write 2 paragraphs thinking they know something but have no clue.

Harsh, but fair. :D

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 210 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 7  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group