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Somebody want to tell me if/where this guy significantly goes off the rails? Seems to sound like reasonable points to me.

(Look ... it's a series of 48 tweets which is why I guess he numbered them. It does help it by keeping it in bite-size chunks imo)


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(THREAD) BREAKING: Over DOJ and FBI objection, the Nunes Memo—compiled by GOP staffers of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence—has been released by Trump and Nunes. Here's my analysis of it—as an attorney and someone who's researched the Steele Dossier for a year.

1/ First, here's a link to the controversial document—a document whose release required Nunes to invoke a HPSCI rule never used in *40 years*, and required a sitting president to go to war against his FBI for the first time since the FBI was led by Hoover. http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180129/106822/HMTG-115-IG00-20180129-SD001.pdf

2/ Second, understand that it's common practice in the justice system for law enforcement to use informants who have conflicts of interest to secure a warrant. Here, the informant, former MI6 Russia desk chief Chris Steele, didn't know who his client was and had no such conflict.

3/ Third, understand that the CIA told the BBC in January '17 that the most controversial allegation in Steele's dossier—the allegation the Kremlin has blackmail material on Trump of a sexual nature—was true. This means the CIA had likely told the FBI the same many months before.

4/ Fourth, understand that the FBI had information beyond the information in the Steele Dossier when it secured a FISA warrant on Carter Page, and that the warrant went through judicial review, and that it was renewed multiple times because it had yielded actionable intelligence.

5/ So the context for the Nunes memo is this: a fairly routine informant practice was—as part of a larger stock of information—used to meet the relatively low standard of proof required to get a FISA warrant from a federal judge. The warrant then produced *spectacular* results.

6/ Indeed, the man against whom the warrant was directed, Page, turned out to have lied repeatedly to the public about his many contacts with Kremlin officials and Kremlin-connected Rosneft executives. So there was ample reason for the FBI to suspect him of being a Russian spy.

7/ The DOJ has consequently called release of this memo by Trump and his GOP applies in the House—especially in the absence of the context a corresponding Democratic memo (blocked by Nunes) would have offered—"extremely reckless." The FBI has said the memo poses "grave" dangers.

8/ The general consensus in the intelligence and national security communities has been that the Nunes Memo, if it's as described, is inaccurate, misleading, partisan, and most importantly endangers—in a historic way—ongoing FBI investigations and FBI sources, methods and agents.

9/ Trump nevertheless promised release of the memo without even reading it. Nunes, a known Trump agent in Congress—who's worked with the White House on similar political stunts in the past, and in a clandestine way—blocked Wray and Rosenstein from making their case to the HPSCI.

10/ Enough background: on to the Nunes Memo.

11/ First, this is a partisan document: Page is described as a "volunteer advisor" to the Trump campaign, suggesting Trump had no involvement in his participation in the campaign. In fact, Trump asked him to join, and named him to, his NatSec team—one of the first five men named.

12/ Second, note the focus: a late October '16 FISA warrant, not—or not yet—the early July '16 one that's been much discussed. By late October '16, the FBI had a *great* deal of information on Page that would not have come directly from Steele (as might've been the case in July).

13/ Recall that the former CIA Director was telling law enforcement and members of Congress throughout the summer of 2016 that, per allied intel agencies, Trump aides were meeting Russians in foreign cities. Page had traveled to Moscow under unusual circumstances in July of 2016.

14/ The early part of the memo is just laying out who signed warrant applications and re-applications (at various points, Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Yates, and [Dana] Boente). No news here.

15/ Media will be checking up on the legal credentials of the authors of this memo, who are (at least in part) known. And they'll be doing that because, by the bottom of the first page, the memo has already veered into legal fantasy. Legally, the memo is a nonsense. I'll explain.

16/ It says FISA warrant applications must meet the "highest standard" of proof in the justice system. Uh, no. The "highest standard" in the justice system is "proof beyond a reasonable doubt," which is nowhere *close* to the legal standard required to secure a search warrant.

17/ The legal standard for securing a warrant is the *lowest* standard of proof in the law—"probable cause." (Consider: *indictments* require probable cause, which is why they say "the average grand jury would indict a ham sandwich.") FISA warrants are granted in 99%+ of cases.

18/ As @AshaRangappa_ notes, the specific FISA standard is "probable cause that the target is an 'agent of a foreign power' who's 'knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence activities.'" Remember: the FBI already found that—as to Page—in a 2013 probe.

19/ In '13, the FBI suspected Page of being a Russian spy—18 months before Trump announced his presidential run—because Page was meeting with a known Russian intelligence agent who was ultimately convicted of trying to recruit Americans. Page admitted he was a recruitment target.

20/ So given that FISA warrants require the lowest standard of proof in the law, and FISA warrants are granted in 99%+ of cases, the idea that the FBI would have needed Steele at *all* to meet that standard and get that warrant as to Page is—to some degree—*literally* laughable.

21/ The memo then makes *another* error of law on its first page: saying the law requires "all relevant and material facts" to be shown to a warrant-granting court. But that's not true. Many cases confirm that law enforcement can and does leave out key facts without repercussion.

22/ If you doubt this, check out the work of Orin Kerr, who's done a lengthy analysis of the case law on this very issue (which is clearly something that the Nunes staffers working on behalf of Trump and Nunes did *not* do): https://www.lawfareblog.com/dubious-legal-claim-behind-releasethememo

23/ A *third* legal error on just the *first page* of the memo is it says "all potentially favorable" information—i.e., favorable to the proposed warrant target—must be included in the warrant application. Uh, no, and moreover, this *never* happens in the criminal justice system.

24/ Because we have an adversarial system of justice, and because the standard of proof to secure a warrant is so low, judges *never* expect (and almost *never* find) that the government included "all information potentially favorable to the defendant" in its warrant application.

25/ Let me be blunt, law-and-order types: if our justice system worked the way the Nunes Memo says it does—thank god it doesn't—our crime rate would be ten times higher and our criminal justice system wouldn't have the resources to operate. Jail doors would have to be flung open.

26/ Page 2 is worse. It says Steele prepared the dossier "on behalf of" the DNC and Clinton—suggesting he knew he was working for them, or that he *was* working for them, which he wasn't. He was working for Fusion GPS as a sub-contractor—and had no idea who Fusion's clients were.

27/ This is a critical point—as this lie is the one Nunes uses to argue that Steele both had a conflict of interest and was biased, when in fact neither was true. Steele was not getting paid to please the DNC and/or Clinton because he literally did not know his work was for them.

28/ Second lie: that Steele was paid by the DNC and/or Clinton. Totally false. Steele was paid by Fusion GPS and did not know who Fusion was working for. Fusion was paid by a law firm, which in turn was paid by the DNC. But Fusion had previously worked for GOP clients on Trump.

29/ Indeed, Fusion worked for GOP clients—digging for info on Trump—for *eight months*. Fusion had worked for a Democratic client for just 30 days when its sub-contractor (Steele) said, without knowing who Fusion's client was, that he wanted to go to the FBI with his information.

30/ In other words, this memo is written like a campaign ad—not an official document, and *certainly* not a legal document. It gets every fact wrong and every point of law wrong and *wildly* so. This is an embarrassing piece of work, but I'll keep on analyzing it anyway. We must.

31/ The memo calls Steele a longtime FBI "source"—trying to make it sound like he makes money by feeding the FBI information. No, he's a longtime FBI *partner* and has helped the FBI crack cases. Moreover, he was *not* hired to find "derogatory" information on Trump—that's false.

32/ Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson—a longtime journalist for the conservative Wall Street Journal—testified before Congress (where it's a crime to lie, and Simpson knew it) that he did *not* direct Steele to find derogatory information on Trump's ties to Russia, but *any* info.

33/ The memo next says the FBI was obligated to disclose the Fusion-Perkins Coie contractual relationship in citing work *Steele* did—without knowing who he was doing it for—even though the FBI had independent corroboration of Steele's credibility and this particular work anyway.

34/ Spoiler alert: *nothing* in the case law supports this contention from the memo. The FBI had absolutely *no* obligation to talk about Fusion and Perkins Coie in analyzing or employing work by the former Russia desk chief of MI6, who didn't know who his client was at the time.

35/ Let me be even clearer on this point: of all the informants the FBI has ever used, someone in Steele's situation and with his background undoubtedly falls into the *top 10% of most reliable and non-conflicted* FBI sources. To imply otherwise is—as I said earlier—a *fantasy*.

36/ Here's where the memo rides the line between *simply* lying and expressing consciousness of guilt over its own lying. It concedes Steele was "ultimately" working on behalf of the DNC—i.e., indirectly—and that the FBI had "authorized" payment to him (but did not make it). Ugh.

37/ Remember, all this is happening in late October 2016, more than two months after the intelligence community had briefed Trump on Russia (which Page had recently traveled to, having been suspected of spying for them before) being behind the attack on the United States.

38/ Moreover, this is all happening over three months into the FBI's Trump-Russia investigation—so the idea that the only thing the FBI had done in over three months is stare unblinking at a few Steele memos is, again, laughable. There was a widespread probe going on at the time.

39/ The article next indicates—and mind you, reports say the authors of the memo *haven't* seen the underlying intelligence packet whose insufficiency they're decrying—that the FBI used a Yahoo! article to confirm the Steele Dossier, though Steele was the source for the article.

40/ Whether or not the FBI cited Yahoo! and whether or not it claimed it as "corroboration," the point made here is immaterial—as anyone reading the Yahoo! article would reasonably conclude Isikoff's source was the same source that had produced the dossier. It's not hard to see.

41/ More importantly, in making this claim the memo *offhandedly* asserts that Steele met with Perkins Coie "in 2016"—we don't know when, and there's no corroboration for the claim—which is such a key point here that the idea that it's thrown in as an aside is... *unbelievable*.

42/ We now know—via Glenn Simpson's testimony—that Steele went to the media in September 2016 because the FBI had taken no action on his whistleblower information since June. He then went back to the media in October, when the FBI told the NYT there was no evidence against Trump.

43/ In other words, Steele—per Simpson—began to suspect a coverup at the FBI to protect *Trump*, much like we have evidence (audio, video, emails, tweets) that there was a coverup at the New York field office to protect Trump and harm Clinton over the "new" emails on Weiner's PC.

44/ So the Republicans can whinge about Steele going to the media as much as they like—it only hurts *Trump*, as it re-opens media consideration of the pro-Trump conspiracy at the FBI that Chris Steele (as we now know, *justly*) was concerned about during the latter half of 2016.

45/ The memo claims Steele lied to the FBI about his media contacts—which makes no sense, as his two contacts with the FBI pre-election *both* came before he'd briefed the media about his research. So the question to ask here is, *when* is the memo saying Steele lied to the FBI?

46/ This matters, as Trump allies in Congress have made a criminal referral on Steele *because* of this (timeline-nonsensical) claim that Steele lied to the FBI about his media contacts *prior* to the election—and was "suspended" (whatever that could mean) by the FBI as a result.

47/ But wait—it gets better. The allegation that Steele was "suspended and then terminated" by the FBI—which again, makes no basic sense because he *wasn't working for or paid a salary by them*—must also be false, because he was still having FBI contacts in December 2016. So...?

48/ Indeed, it was in December 2016 Steele managed to get his dossier—with the help of an FBI friend—to a British diplomat, who got it to McCain, who got it to James Comey. So the idea Steele was cut off from the FBI, or that the FBI didn't trust him post-election, is nonsense.

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Wow, what a waste. JORR's guy Nunes admits that it was the Papadopoulous drunken revelation that triggered the FISA deal. Trump was far better off with the vague suggestion of "bias" rather than this thing. The [desperation] and incompetence is staggering.

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What did Obama know and when did he know it?

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What did Obama know and when did he know it?

That's the question.

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Somebody want to tell me if/where this guy significantly goes off the rails? Seems to sound like reasonable points to me.
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3/ Third, understand that the CIA told the BBC in January '17 that the most controversial allegation in Steele's dossier—the allegation the Kremlin has blackmail material on Trump of a sexual nature—was true. This means the CIA had likely told the FBI the same many months before..


Here, for one. Intelligence agencies are notorious for doggedly protecting intelligence and preserving it as "theirs". I mean, that's the accepted narrative of how the 9/11 hijackers planned, trained, and executed their deeds without it getting to the conscious mind of the government.

If the CIA had something juicy like that, no way they are sharing it with the FBI.


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Rep. Steve King asking that very question about Obama yesterday.

https://steveking.house.gov/media-cente ... asethememo

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Rep. Steve King asking that very question about Obama yesterday.

https://steveking.house.gov/media-cente ... asethememo

They need to appoint special counsel now to investigate Obama. Put the bastard under oath

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Tick tock on trump. They might impeach him on straight incompetancy. And I don't even hate him.. I mean I do as a person but as far as a president whatever. He does love America but I do worry hes gonna start shit he can't fix.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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Wellness Check on Baby McCown. This was supposed to be a big day for him.


Last seen eating Carnitas and drinking Hopslam with a suspect individual. :lol:


Today isn't the homerun you think it is.


That doesn't matter. The strategy is to create the illusion that it's a home run so Rosenstein can be fired and Mueller's investigation can be terminated.


Probably not terminated but reined in a way to protect folks around the president who committed crimes.

Nas is right. The goal is to fire Rosenstein and replace him with a compliant official who will starve Mueller’s investigation to death. No money or indictment approvals and it comes to a standstill.


That seems like a more likely outcome. Nas and Zippy very reasonable. Not flustered.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/sen-john-mccain-nunes-memo-175552422.html

#Maverick

Wellness check on JORR.

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JORR's guy Joe Walsh harshing on JORR's Nunes buzz.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 1f1fe05c2d

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Walsh sounding lucid...incredible



:lol: It's amazing how a man you heretofore believed was an unhinged lunatic can suddenly become lucid when he is promulgating a political narrative you find appealing.

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Walsh sounding lucid...incredible



:lol: It's amazing how a man you heretofore believed was an unhinged lunatic can suddenly become lucid when he is promulgating a political narrative you find appealing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tiOMu_ ... g87by1wzwH


It could also be argued that it says a lot about current state of politics when noted insane person Joe Walsh isn't the craziest guy in the room anymore.

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Walsh sounding lucid...incredible



:lol: It's amazing how a man you heretofore believed was an unhinged lunatic can suddenly become lucid when he is promulgating a political narrative you find appealing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tiOMu_ ... g87by1wzwH


Ha. They're all lunatics politically. That's the argument of a Trump disciple approaching a state of total desperation. Who better to judge Nunes' character than someone he served with. A teammate. A comrade.

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So now Joe Walsh is a credible voice? Just checking.

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So now Joe Walsh is a credible voice? Just checking.

As soon as he get caught up on his child support :lol:


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Trey Gowdy has seen the FISA warrant application in question, and he says it relied heavily on the dossier as well as a Yahoo! News article featuring Steele, and that the motivations and genesis of the dossier itself were obscured from the judge.

He also expresses confidence in Mueller and Rosenstein, says there would still be a Russia probe without the dossier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_ylNzY7Ixc

I disagree that the obfuscation of the source and bias of the Steele dossier doesn't impugn Rosnestein nor necessitate his ouster, but still: Here is a guy who has actually seen the applications say that the dossier: (1) was included as a statement of probable cause and (2) its origin was not wholly revealed on a warrant application signed under oath ("something something, the whole truth...").

And, for what it's worth, Gowdy has apparently announced his retirement from politics, saying he will not seek reelection.


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MANY republicans start growing a pair when they don't have to count on the Trumpets vote.


To be fair, he says he wants to be a federal litigator again, and saying the underboss of the DOJ should be fired might be an impediment to that ends.

Still, and Gowdy said as much, it is a dangerous precedent for various heads of executive branch law enforcement agencies to be able to use opposition research as probable cause for a warrant to surveil a US citizen, and not only that, to be allowed to obscure the source and inherent bias of that research when applying for a warrant that would be incredibly hard to challenge.

I guess its going to be pretty hard now for Dems to pretend that the dossier didn't act as probable cause to surveil a US Citizen using FISA, and that Rosenstein didn't hide the fact that the dossier was political research funded by the DNC from the FISC judge.


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MANY republicans start growing a pair when they don't have to count on the Trumpets vote.


To be fair, he says he wants to be a federal litigator again, and saying the underboss of the DOJ should be fired might be an impediment to that ends.

Still, and Gowdy said as much, it is a dangerous precedent for various heads of executive branch law enforcement agencies to be able to use opposition research as probable cause for a warrant to surveil a US citizen, and not only that, to be allowed to obscure the source and inherent bias of that research.

I guess its going to be pretty hard now for Dems to pretend that the dossier didn't act as probable cause to surveil a US Citizen using FISA, and that Rosenstein didn't hide the fact that the dossier was political research funded by the DNC from the FISC judge.


Can we also stop having posters here claiming Clinton did not pay for the dossier?

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MANY republicans start growing a pair when they don't have to count on the Trumpets vote.


To be fair, he says he wants to be a federal litigator again, and saying the underboss of the DOJ should be fired might be an impediment to that ends.

Still, and Gowdy said as much, it is a dangerous precedent for various heads of executive branch law enforcement agencies to be able to use opposition research as probable cause for a warrant to surveil a US citizen, and not only that, to be allowed to obscure the source and inherent bias of that research.

I guess its going to be pretty hard now for Dems to pretend that the dossier didn't act as probable cause to surveil a US Citizen using FISA, and that Rosenstein didn't hide the fact that the dossier was political research funded by the DNC from the FISC judge.


Steele worked for the feds and I'm pretty sure I have heard Democrats say this wasn't the ONLY thing used to get extend the surveillance again. I guess we'll have to wait a week for their response. Hopefully no one dies.

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Steele worked for the feds and I'm pretty sure I have heard Democrats say this wasn't the ONLY thing used to get extend the surveillance again. I guess we'll have to wait a week for their response. Hopefully no one dies.



Wasn't he fired for flapping his gums and the fact that he was considered unreliable?

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MANY republicans start growing a pair when they don't have to count on the Trumpets vote.


To be fair, he says he wants to be a federal litigator again, and saying the underboss of the DOJ should be fired might be an impediment to that ends.

Still, and Gowdy said as much, it is a dangerous precedent for various heads of executive branch law enforcement agencies to be able to use opposition research as probable cause for a warrant to surveil a US citizen, and not only that, to be allowed to obscure the source and inherent bias of that research.

I guess its going to be pretty hard now for Dems to pretend that the dossier didn't act as probable cause to surveil a US Citizen using FISA, and that Rosenstein didn't hide the fact that the dossier was political research funded by the DNC from the FISC judge.


Can we also stop having posters here claiming Clinton did not pay for the dossier?


She didn't. If you hire a contractor for some work and that contractor hires a sub contractor who hire Chas should you be attacked for hiring a pedophile?

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MANY republicans start growing a pair when they don't have to count on the Trumpets vote.


To be fair, he says he wants to be a federal litigator again, and saying the underboss of the DOJ should be fired might be an impediment to that ends.

Still, and Gowdy said as much, it is a dangerous precedent for various heads of executive branch law enforcement agencies to be able to use opposition research as probable cause for a warrant to surveil a US citizen, and not only that, to be allowed to obscure the source and inherent bias of that research.

I guess its going to be pretty hard now for Dems to pretend that the dossier didn't act as probable cause to surveil a US Citizen using FISA, and that Rosenstein didn't hide the fact that the dossier was political research funded by the DNC from the FISC judge.


Steele worked for the feds and I'm pretty sure I have heard Democrats say this wasn't the ONLY thing used to get extend the surveillance again. I guess we'll have to wait a week for their response. Hopefully no one dies.


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Nas wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
MANY republicans start growing a pair when they don't have to count on the Trumpets vote.


To be fair, he says he wants to be a federal litigator again, and saying the underboss of the DOJ should be fired might be an impediment to that ends.

Still, and Gowdy said as much, it is a dangerous precedent for various heads of executive branch law enforcement agencies to be able to use opposition research as probable cause for a warrant to surveil a US citizen, and not only that, to be allowed to obscure the source and inherent bias of that research.

I guess its going to be pretty hard now for Dems to pretend that the dossier didn't act as probable cause to surveil a US Citizen using FISA, and that Rosenstein didn't hide the fact that the dossier was political research funded by the DNC from the FISC judge.


Can we also stop having posters here claiming Clinton did not pay for the dossier?


She didn't. If you hire a contractor for some work and that contractor hires a sub contractor who hire Chas should you be attacked for hiring a pedophile?


Yep

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Steele worked for the feds and I'm pretty sure I have heard Democrats say this wasn't the ONLY thing used to get extend the surveillance again. I guess we'll have to wait a week for their response. Hopefully no one dies.



Wasn't he fired for flapping his gums and the fact that he was considered unreliable?


Yep! I believe in 2016. He was concerned about Trump. That can be looked at multiple ways.

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Nas wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
MANY republicans start growing a pair when they don't have to count on the Trumpets vote.


To be fair, he says he wants to be a federal litigator again, and saying the underboss of the DOJ should be fired might be an impediment to that ends.

Still, and Gowdy said as much, it is a dangerous precedent for various heads of executive branch law enforcement agencies to be able to use opposition research as probable cause for a warrant to surveil a US citizen, and not only that, to be allowed to obscure the source and inherent bias of that research.

I guess its going to be pretty hard now for Dems to pretend that the dossier didn't act as probable cause to surveil a US Citizen using FISA, and that Rosenstein didn't hide the fact that the dossier was political research funded by the DNC from the FISC judge.


Can we also stop having posters here claiming Clinton did not pay for the dossier?


She didn't. If you hire a contractor for some work and that contractor hires a sub contractor who hire Chas should you be attacked for hiring a pedophile?


:lol:


This may be the most tortured analogy yet seen on this board. And that's saying a lot.

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One thing has me a little confused here. If I hire a private investigator and he finds evidence to support my court case, is that evidence ineligible for this and all court cases going forward.

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JORR that's essentially what happened. The DNC continued the Fusion GPS contract and Fusion GPS hired Steele who very likely hired Russians to get dirt on Trump. I understand that it's politics and it's Hillary but no one would attack PittMike for hiring Chas. However if we need to sacrifice Hillary for Kushner and Trump Jr I'm all for it. Seeing the embarrassment on the face of the president would bring joy to me.

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