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Agree that Snowden should be pardoned and that Shailene Woodley would get it six ways from Sunday.

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He should just be shot or poisoned. Don't even let him back

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He should just be shot or poisoned. Don't even let him back






He's an American hero.

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He should just be shot or poisoned. Don't even let him back






He's an American hero.


He's a coward, hypocrite and a traitor.

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He should just be shot or poisoned. Don't even let him back






He's an American hero.


He's a coward, hypocrite and a traitor.

After viewing this film through Oliver Stone's neutral lens I respectfully disagree.

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 Post subject: Re: Snowden
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he did a great service to the american people

he did a horrible crime against the government

will be interesting to see how he is played as a pawn between putin and president elect

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Did he help Russia interfere in our election?

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Snowden is a hero. He only fled to Russia (after first trying to flee to HK and SE Asia) because we exerted political pressure on any country he was trying to flee to. We drove him into Putin's arms and any damage he does to the intelligence agencies while in Russia is justly deserved after what the NSA did to us. Fuck them.

Snowden would've been happily living in exile in a place where he wouldn't be forced to feed info the Russians if we didn't push him there. We literally made sure he had no other options.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Snowden is a hero. He only fled to Russia (after first trying to flee to HK and SE Asia) because we exerted political pressure on any country he was trying to flee to. We drove him into Putin's arms and any damage he does to the intelligence agencies while in Russia is justly deserved after what the NSA did to us. Fuck them.

Snowden would've been happily living in exile in a place where he wouldn't be forced to feed info the Russians if we didn't push him there. We literally made sure he had no other options.




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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Snowden is a hero. He only fled to Russia (after first trying to flee to HK and SE Asia) because we exerted political pressure on any country he was trying to flee to. We drove him into Putin's arms and any damage he does to the intelligence agencies while in Russia is justly deserved after what the NSA did to us. Fuck them.

Snowden would've been happily living in exile in a place where he wouldn't be forced to feed info the Russians if we didn't push him there. We literally made sure he had no other options.




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Yes, and Snowden is different than Manning in that he was careful in the way he released his information. Manning handed his stuff to Wikileaks for a complete dump without any discretion. And I don't blame Wikileaks for that. Wikileaks is a news organization. We can argue about whether they have some duty to the American government that trumps the raw truth. That's a philosophical question. In fact, I believe Wikileaks criticized Snowden for having Greenwald vet and redact his materials rather than just dumping it on the world and possibly putting people in danger.

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MANY Anti-Americans coming out in favor of a traitor.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Snowden is a hero. He only fled to Russia (after first trying to flee to HK and SE Asia) because we exerted political pressure on any country he was trying to flee to. We drove him into Putin's arms and any damage he does to the intelligence agencies while in Russia is justly deserved after what the NSA did to us. Fuck them.

Snowden would've been happily living in exile in a place where he wouldn't be forced to feed info the Russians if we didn't push him there. We literally made sure he had no other options.
He did have an option to be a hero and have the trial of the century in America. He chose to aid an enemy doing the exact same thing we are doing.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Snowden is a hero. He only fled to Russia (after first trying to flee to HK and SE Asia) because we exerted political pressure on any country he was trying to flee to. We drove him into Putin's arms and any damage he does to the intelligence agencies while in Russia is justly deserved after what the NSA did to us. Fuck them.

Snowden would've been happily living in exile in a place where he wouldn't be forced to feed info the Russians if we didn't push him there. We literally made sure he had no other options.
He did have an option to be a hero and have the trial of the century in America. He chose to aid an enemy doing the exact same thing we are doing.

Given the abuses he probably saw while at the NSA, I don't blame him for having no faith in our criminal justice system. Do you really think with the information that would be discussed, his trial would be open and in full public view?

He also does criticize Putin and Russia's surveillance. he isn't shy about doing so. He's not like Assange who seemingly sucks Putin's cock.

Snowden's one mistake is he never said he had a vagina. He could've gotten pardoned had he done that.

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 Post subject: Re: Snowden
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Snowden is a hero. He only fled to Russia (after first trying to flee to HK and SE Asia) because we exerted political pressure on any country he was trying to flee to. We drove him into Putin's arms and any damage he does to the intelligence agencies while in Russia is justly deserved after what the NSA did to us. Fuck them.

Snowden would've been happily living in exile in a place where he wouldn't be forced to feed info the Russians if we didn't push him there. We literally made sure he had no other options.
He did have an option to be a hero and have the trial of the century in America. He chose to aid an enemy doing the exact same thing we are doing.


He likely would have been killed or disappeared.

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Given the abuses he probably saw while at the NSA, I don't blame him for having no faith in our criminal justice system. Do you really think with the information that would be discussed, his trial would be open and in full public view?
Assuming they didn't kill him, which would be pretty easy to have avoided given his immediate celebrity status, then yes he would have had an open and fair trial. Now, he may have been found guilty and then we get into the pardon game which I think he would have gotten too.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Snowden is a hero. He only fled to Russia (after first trying to flee to HK and SE Asia) because we exerted political pressure on any country he was trying to flee to. We drove him into Putin's arms and any damage he does to the intelligence agencies while in Russia is justly deserved after what the NSA did to us. Fuck them.

Snowden would've been happily living in exile in a place where he wouldn't be forced to feed info the Russians if we didn't push him there. We literally made sure he had no other options.
He did have an option to be a hero and have the trial of the century in America. He chose to aid an enemy doing the exact same thing we are doing.


He likely would have been killed or disappeared.
Unlikely. You walk into a reputable newsroom like the NYT, MSNBC, or The Daily Show at the exact moment it drops and give them an interview and have the police arrest you on camera.

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 Post subject: Re: Snowden
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Given the abuses he probably saw while at the NSA, I don't blame him for having no faith in our criminal justice system. Do you really think with the information that would be discussed, his trial would be open and in full public view?
Assuming they didn't kill him, which would be pretty easy to have avoided given his immediate celebrity status, then yes he would have had an open and fair trial. Now, he may have been found guilty and then we get into the pardon game which I think he would have gotten too.

We live in a country where hundreds of people are killed annually by police under shady circumstances. I don't blame Snowden 1 bit for fleeing. They would've claimed he was resisting or reached for his waistband and put a bullet in his brain.

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On live television in a newsroom?

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On live television in a newsroom?



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On live television in a newsroom?

I don't think he thought about going on TV right away. He fled the country before the docs leaked and he did so for good reason. He had no reason to expect that he would be given a fair trial or wouldn't be disappeared by the government.

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On live television in a newsroom?

I don't think he thought about going on TV right away. He fled the country before the docs leaked and he did so for good reason. He had no reason to expect that he would be given a fair trial or wouldn't be disappeared by the government.

Wasn't he working with a reporter?

That was a better option than Russia. I think part of him wanted it to end that way.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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On live television in a newsroom?

I don't think he thought about going on TV right away. He fled the country before the docs leaked and he did so for good reason. He had no reason to expect that he would be given a fair trial or wouldn't be disappeared by the government.

Wasn't he working with a reporter?

That was a better option than Russia. I think part of him wanted it to end that way.



I don't think that's correct. He did not intend to stay in Russia. The U.S. shut down his passport and trapped him there. Another fuck-up by the brilliant American intelligence community.

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A guy upset by the abuses by our government ran to China and Russia. Naturally 2 places that are clearly better. It's like Croissant America being upset with the job market in our country running to France. You can't make this shit up.

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A guy upset by the abuses by our government ran to China and Russia. Naturally 2 places that are clearly better. It's like Croissant America being upset with the job market in our country running to France. You can't make this shit up.

His end game wasn't to stay in Hong Kong, nor was it to go to Russia. He was trying to get to Ecuador, but the US blocked him.

Once again, we literally drove him to Putin so I hope he burns his ex agency even more while there.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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On live television in a newsroom?

I don't think he thought about going on TV right away. He fled the country before the docs leaked and he did so for good reason. He had no reason to expect that he would be given a fair trial or wouldn't be disappeared by the government.

Wasn't he working with a reporter?

That was a better option than Russia. I think part of him wanted it to end that way.

The reporter he was working with (Glenn Greenwald) was in Brazil so I don't think that was an option.

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A guy upset by the abuses by our government ran to China and Russia. Naturally 2 places that are clearly better. It's like Croissant America being upset with the job market in our country running to France. You can't make this shit up.

His end game wasn't to stay in Hong Kong, nor was it to go to Russia. He was trying to get to Ecuador, but the US blocked him.

Once again, we literally drove him to Putin so I hope he burns his ex agency even more while there.

Why did he think he could get to Ecuador?

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Why is it that whenever someone exposes the deep corruption in our government, that the person is instantly maligned as a traitor and said to be aiding the enemy? It's like McCain's recent comments about Trump for declassifying the Nunes Memo, that he is doing Putin's work? What a complete joke. And worse coming from someone like McCain that should know better, who knows the meaning of self-sacrifice for a greater cause. Blind allegiance to the government is just that---Blind. The government would prefer 1984-esque hate rallies directed at the bogeyman enemy than the truth. In the meantime, it does all it can to dispose of evidence of the truth down the memory hole.

Sorry, there is nothing righteous about the government (and not just the federal, but state and municipal as well) that it has the high ground and moral authority to even declare what is right anymore. This puts us all in a dangerous situation, where informed people are the enemies of the state. If you believe we have a government of the people, by the people and for the people, you are sorely mistaken, as the revelations from the Nunes Memo have shown with the abuses by the FBI, DOJ and FISA court. Instead, what you have is a government dictated by the corporate handlers and big donors. They are the ones who write the laws and establish policy for their own greed, while forsaking the will of the people.


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Agree that Snowden should be pardoned and that Shailene Woodley would get it six ways from Sunday.

snowed in is an actor on a stage i honestly don't care about, but speaking about actresses on stages i do care about, yeah, ol girl not-mary-jane had some nice tits in that one movie where she was some terminal/retarded/something chick with the terminal/retarded/something boyfriend. i personally thank god for screencappers out there cuz i didn't have to watch all of that dredge to get to the good stuff.

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When you are using GOP fan fiction as the basis of your argument, you are losing.


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