Uhh, the folks running Syria should also be deposed. I don't give a shit about the Syrian people... in fact, right now there are about 3 different groups of Syrians with opposing views. The problems people have with Israel stem from the racist fascists in charge that have been committing atrocities for years. They are violent jingoists. Jordan, in contrast to both of those nations, is a very stable, successful country that isn't run by psychos.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

And what is makes it all the more sillier is that he (and a few others) constantly conflate the Israeli state with the religion of Judaism. They are two separate entities. The State of Israel is a political actor and as such it should be subject to the same sort of criticism that other political actors are subjected too. The Religion card is used as a shield for legitimate criticisms of Israel's political arm.



312's criticism is of the state not the religion. It should be viewed as such because that it was it happens to be. It is not a critique of "All Jews". It is a criticism of actions perpetrated by the state.

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Almost every country in the world deports people. Why aren't we talking about Canada and their deportation of illegal immigrants? That's what Israel did here. They deported illegal immigrants.

I do have a solution though. Declare all Palestinians as refugees, and then give them money to travel to France to live. They get a better place to live and the whole Middle East can move on and there can be peace.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Your solution has been considered and rejected.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

What is the problem with that solution?

I hear France is beautiful and who are they to say no to these refugees?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

They aren’t looked at as “other” here. And Ill let you explain all the dog whistles here. Go ahead.

Also, it’s poor logic to suggest that because a group has been historically persecuted they are currently hated by every non-member of said group. It’s simply not true.

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Propose a Jewish state in Germany or any part of Europe and you are labeled an Anti Semite. Tell Arabs to find refuge in France and you are labeled a "hero" by MANY.

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Europe is still wildly anti-Semitic. I guess that is one good thing about the U.S. We are much less so.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

Stop ganging up on me please.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Perhaps you haven't realized this, but Arabs are called Arabs because they come from Arabia. Jews are called Jews because we come from Judea...

There is a reason the Jewish state is where it is.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

*Derailment Alert* *Derailment Alert* *Derailment Alert* *Derailment Alert*

No bigger oxymoron in the world currently in existence than the notion of "message board toughness".

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I have been respectful of your wishes to not be ganged up on. Please extend me the same courtesy. IMU and I are having a discussion.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Unless I'm missing something France isn't exactly synonymous with Arabia. I also am unfamiliar with the ancient state of Judea. I will look it up.

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I'm not the one who said send them to France, I'm just stating a fact why it is antisemitic to propose a Jewish state in Germany or Europe.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

We both desire that persecuted peoples be allowed to peacefully live in their ancient homeland.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I will take you up on this and just be mindful of this little courtesy the next time you want to play the" personal attack" angle. You are another one that has refused to let it go.

Since I consider myself the bigger person I will excuse myself from this. If you are going to stay out the way then stay out the way and I will do the same.


That extends to each and every thread. Deal?

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Sounds good. So what is the problem with Israel in terms of these deportations? That is not their homeland.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Yes.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

At the end of World War II it would not have been. Today yes because of the logistics. Herzl didn't necessitate that Israel be built in that part of the world yet in your opinion it is the only place that it could have existed.

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No problem. I am out your way.

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it would have been, Jews were victims of antisemitism in Europe even after the concentration camps were liberated. It only took a year before pogroms resumed.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.ph ... d=10007941

Because the Jews couldn't even return to their old communities in Europe, they were kept in DP camps (often set up on the sites of old concentration camps as if the trauma wasn't already enough) The Jews couldn't return to European communities and literally had nowhere to go. The only option was to join an already existing and vibrant community that was in their homeland.

You really should shut up on this topic as you really expose your lack of knowledge each time we go down this path.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

That isn't what I said.

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No you should shut up because you are biased and you have repeatedly demonstrated that you could give a fuck about Arabs. You demonstrate hypocrisy each and every time you discuss this subject. You granted statehood to Judea yet Palestine is some bullshit Arabs made up during the 20th Century.

Anti Semitism is not a reason to displace another group of people.



Europe has been the biggest historical purveyor of Anti Semitism and as such they should be made to pay. A Jewish state could have been created on German land following World War II as part of reparations. Germany was the country that committed atrocities as part of the holocaust and they should have paid for it. Simple. There were military bases on deck and they created military zones. I'm not saying that Anti Semitism would have been eradicated but how can be worse than what exists in the Middle East?

Jews are sitting ducks in a part of the world in which none of the other groups accept them. That can't be a better solution. In addition is the fact that they would have had world wide support if it were created in Germany.


The real reason that it wasn't created in Europe is because Europeans didn't want the "Jewish nuisance" in their midst. That is the real reason and people of European descent are lying when they choose not to admit this. Better for the desert "" to deal with it.

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Glad to see the Gang is gathering. Maybe i should send a PM to complain about it. Yeah that will do it won't it?

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That or make a series of posts with a central theme and then argue that your central premise wasn't the genesis of your current meme-hood.

Look it up even the Romans talked about it. As well as the Egyptians and Assyrians and Persians and Greeks.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

You'd know now wouldn't you?

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Please, stop ganging up on me. I can tell you're already on the verge of lobbing personal attacks at me.