How so?

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I'm not positive but I believe that these rifles were unavailable to the public before the late 90s?

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I just don't think they were popular until then. Aside from the AWB, which was temporary obviously, there was nothing really banning semi auto rifles.

I also think that AWB had a huge hand in popularizing them too. People want things that are forbidden.

These weapons have been available to civilians since the 1960s.

The firearms themselves have changed little since then. The only real change is some of the accessories that can be added to them and the fact that affordable computerized milling machines now allow you to make a perfect AR-15 clone in your basement out of an 80% lower.

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And Big Pharma pays well to keep this off the news

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We have common ground!

True mental illness is delicate and difficult. It's expensive. If you can afford it the patient doesn't always go for it. The most difficult part (for me) is they don't ever really heal.

They don't even know how antidepressants work. Sometimes they do work well for people, but doctors are not even sure why....which isn't very comforting.

I am a little troubled about how did this kid get in the school? Maybe warm weather schools are very different but I cannot get into my kid's HS without being buzzed in and going to a security guard. I suppose as he was expelled from here he was able to blend his way in or convince a teacher or student? Or due to climate it is more of an open campus with kids going beack and forth between buildings all day?

At any rate, the usual gun talk will go on here but there has to be a larger issue. I lean toward mental illness in some form. Identifying it is a problem with privacy issues but as was said it is hard to treat effectively. Not the least of which is the "patient" themselves.

With treating people sometimes the biggest obstacle is the patient themselves. Everything from having them keep regular appointments and taking medications to them feeling they are better in some early part of the process makes it a big job.

Yes there are many weapons available to society. That said there are millions of people that never ever consider doing such a thing.

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So given the major changes you wanted to make when one cop was killed including life sentences for 3 time felons what changes should be made when about 20 kids are killed?

Also, please include a rant about liberals in your answer.

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the more these shootings happen, the more it's apparent that they don't open discussions; they just open up more narrow minded, self-serving bloviating.

Yeah I think so. Nothing like a portion of my FB friends late yesterday solving the world's problems.

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Things like this puzzle me. The signs were there.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/t ... lgXk6q7KrA

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I do not completely get this idea that mental health care is being gutted. I know some of the older guys like RR reference the Reagan years of closing down many psych wards and other benefits but that was some time ago. Clearly today's youth are not of that era.

There is the issue of healthcare in general which I suppose included mental health coverage. I think though that many people do have good insurance and accessibility. I also know that there are counselors of all sorts seemingly everywhere especially in schools.

Mental health and more specifically people that go "off" has to have more of a complex explanation than some system is "gutted".

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I don't understand why people yell "Mental Health!" after these things. We as a society have decided we aren't going to lock people up, or even make determinations on potential danger prior to them doing it. What would we have done with this guy? Put him in jail? Put him in a mental institution? Do we do the same for everyone who fits the strange loner profile? Do we lock him up forever because of a youtube comment?

Now, there was a time we would have done that. There was a time we literally would cut out part of the brain of the deranged to fix the problem. Others would get shocked with electricity to "cure" them. Others just got to walk around a mental hospital forever against their will. We have decided that this is not proper to do any more, and it's a huge standard to institutionalize someone for more than a short time period and only if they are a "danger to themselves".

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Because that is the current go to talking point for people who don't even want to discuss the possibility that access to guns might be a problem.



Seems like the idea of banning AR-15s and those types of guns is gaining steam. Seeing people on both sides of political spectrum warming to that idea.

Yup. It's mostly a way to deflect from the big issue.

I think that ban would be good.

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This is really the go to for the people that do not want to even discuss that there are larger underlying problems.

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Why do you think that. Maybe it is because I am infinitely familiar with the weapon in question (AR15) I really do not follow it. I can listen to those that say magazine capacity is an issue but functionally the weapon is just a semi automatic rifle. It looks really mean and cool though. About the only connection I can see in this case is if the kid had several 30 round magazines or if somehow his mentally deranged attraction to this rifle was based on menacing appearance of the gun.

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No, it's not.

Underlying problems have always, and will always be there. What do you think is going to happen? We're going to cure all mental health issues?

The difference is access to these high capacity guns.

I proposed no major changes in that thread, or really any thread. Killing all the burrito liberals, or at least sending them to Canada, would be a good idea though.

I'm all for alternative solutions to that ban.

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There appears to be a commonality of this gun being used in mass shootings.

You wanted 3 felonies = life sentence. That's a major change.

Your posts in this thread are far different. Why is that?

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I disagree. Do you think taking away high capacity guns (whatever those are) is going to "cure" all mass killings?

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You can't ban the AR-15 since there are already like a billion in existence, they last forever, parts are plentiful and confiscating them is a job so suicidal for law enforcement even Brick or Nas would have some issues with it.

The truth is the Great Liberal Society we were sold on is a toxic wasteland. The American culture is poison.

Or, how about this. The USA is a lost cause so keep all burrito liberals in USA. All the good ones a.k.a non-faggot liberals move to France where it's so much better.

MANY of these things are genetic. There have now been generations of folks who haven't been treated and they've had a lot of kids and those kids have had a lot of kids.

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True. I would guess it has to do with the ability to accept large magazines rather than the actual function of the weapon though. It is relatively cheap for a rifle as well. Also, I will not discount the cool factor or maybe these days it should be the Call of Duty factor?

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