It is currently Thu Nov 28, 2024 1:20 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 846 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 ... 29  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:52 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:24 pm
Posts: 17224
pizza_Place: Pequods
rogers park bryan wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
America wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
You over use the _____ is a bad look thing. It's ironically....a bad look.

How many people did Bundy have?

That was and continues to be the example Ogie us using.

You think the US military is unable to take out Bundy and pals?

So the US government is afraid of murdering people because they dont want to incite an armed insurrection that they know they cannot win....and you say that's a bad thing?

I said nothing about an armed insurrection and definitely didn't say any of this was a bad thing.

I'm just playing out the "defend against tyrannical government" thing in our current reality.


But anyway, seems were just back to the inevitable conclusion. Our rights to bear arms...any and all arms...is more important than any amount of dead people/kids.

That's just our reality. I get it.



"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Right. No amount of dead children will deter us. We're in agreement.

Look, we could end gang violence (which kills far more people) if we did away with the 4th Amendment. I still say that I would rather see gang members (and all citizens) maintain their constitutional rights than I would see us end gang violence. Why? Because when we do away with 4th Amendment rights for gang.members, doing away with those rights for you and me would quickly follow.

The Bill of Rights is a fantastic document and I personally cherish those rights and would not part with any of them if it made me more safe and secure. What's the point of safety and security if you have no liberty?

_________________
“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:53 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
America wrote:
Nas wrote:
Fighting a land war on foreign territory and fighting on land that you are familiar with is different. RPB is right.

a soldier from Florida is going to very adept and familiar with rural Oregon.


The Unites States military definitely will be. Now will that soldier follow orders to attack Americans I don't know. They have drones that will.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:53 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92099
Location: To the left of my post
FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I’m not getting mad, but good luck telling people what they are and aren’t allowed to get mad about :lol:

Well they would deserve what they got if they took up arms against the government to fight against a legally passed Constitutional amendment.

Keep in mind here the issue isn't the repeal. I don't think it should be repealed. However the gun lobby is offering no solutions at all. America just flat out said it.

The unlikely repeal may be the only shot at any meaningful change.

I am pretty confident that total confiscation would result in an armed revolution regardless of it being completely legal.

I'm not sure confiscation would be part of it.

Banning the sale, transfer and use is probably enough.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
America wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
0.0000000001 % chance it will happen but if it did...0% chance you as a citizen are putting up an defense against the military.

If they wanted to, the government could have erased Bundy and his pals from existence in about 2 seconds.

Goat fuckers with old Soviet shit have stymied the USA for over a decade in Afghanistan. An F-22 can't stand on a street corner.

Yeah. Pretty much the entire history of the world would disagree with RPB there.

So Ogie and his buddies in his well regulated militia could stand up to the United States military?

No.

But if there was a large armed resistance than the answer would then become yes.

and recent history would back this up. The Taliban does not have any tanks, fighter jets, etc. but here they are 16 years later and gaining ground. We never repelled the Vietcong either.


Citing our military failures vs. the Taliban and the Viet Cong without acknowledging our involvement in areas where we had no real understanding of those groups or their rationales, the allure and support in their own homelands or their organizational makeup and size is disingenuous. It was more than anything and unfortunate display of our leadership's ignorance and arrogance imo. And so we have groups of lightly armed goofs giving it to us for decades.

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
rogers park bryan wrote:
Good chat fellas. Appreciate all of you.

This is a good look.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:55 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:24 pm
Posts: 17224
pizza_Place: Pequods
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I’m not getting mad, but good luck telling people what they are and aren’t allowed to get mad about :lol:

Well they would deserve what they got if they took up arms against the government to fight against a legally passed Constitutional amendment.

Keep in mind here the issue isn't the repeal. I don't think it should be repealed. However the gun lobby is offering no solutions at all. America just flat out said it.

The unlikely repeal may be the only shot at any meaningful change.

I am pretty confident that total confiscation would result in an armed revolution regardless of it being completely legal.

I'm not sure confiscation would be part of it.

Banning the sale, transfer and use is probably enough.

Not really thanks to 3D printing and computerized CNC mills

_________________
“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 41378
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
IMO, a well regulated militia would have some match-up problems vs an offense revolving around nuclear weapons.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:32 pm
Posts: 13865
Location: France
pizza_Place: Baranabyis
Nas wrote:
America wrote:
Nas wrote:
Fighting a land war on foreign territory and fighting on land that you are familiar with is different. RPB is right.

a soldier from Florida is going to very adept and familiar with rural Oregon.


The Unites States military definitely will be. Now will that soldier follow orders to attack Americans I don't know.

the US military probably knows more about the topography of Iraq and Afghanistan than they do much of the rural western USA.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:57 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Regular Reader wrote:
[Citing our military failures vs. the Taliban and the Viet Cong without acknowledging our involvement in areas where we had no real understanding of those groups or their rationales, the allure and support in their own homelands or their organizational makeup and size is disingenuous. [u]It was more than anything and unfortunate display of our leadership's ignorance and arrogance imo[/u]. And so we have groups of lightly armed goofs giving it to us for decades.

:lol: :lol:

Well good thing that's no longer an issue.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:57 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92099
Location: To the left of my post
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I’m not getting mad, but good luck telling people what they are and aren’t allowed to get mad about :lol:

Well they would deserve what they got if they took up arms against the government to fight against a legally passed Constitutional amendment.

Keep in mind here the issue isn't the repeal. I don't think it should be repealed. However the gun lobby is offering no solutions at all. America just flat out said it.

The unlikely repeal may be the only shot at any meaningful change.

I am pretty confident that total confiscation would result in an armed revolution regardless of it being completely legal.

I'm not sure confiscation would be part of it.

Banning the sale, transfer and use is probably enough.

Not really thanks to 3D printing and computerized CNC mills

Go ahead and print one. What are you going to do with it?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:58 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Regular Reader wrote:

Citing our military failures vs. the Taliban and the Viet Cong without acknowledging our involvement in areas where we had no real understanding of those groups or their rationales, the allure and support in their own homelands or their organizational makeup and size is disingenuous. It was more than anything and unfortunate display of our leadership's ignorance and arrogance imo. And so we have groups of lightly armed goofs giving it to us for decades.


You would think the revolutionary war would have taught us something about home field advantage.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:58 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Nas wrote:
America wrote:
Nas wrote:
Fighting a land war on foreign territory and fighting on land that you are familiar with is different. RPB is right.

a soldier from Florida is going to very adept and familiar with rural Oregon.


The Unites States military definitely will be. Now will that soldier follow orders to attack Americans I don't know. They have drones that will.

They need people to remotely pilot those drones.

Ogie is correct. There is zero doubt in my mind that a great number of soldiers would defect if any of this even came close to happening.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:59 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:32 pm
Posts: 13865
Location: France
pizza_Place: Baranabyis
the only way to reliably put down an armed insurrection is genocide. if the US government is perpetrating a genocide (which I think will probably happen in the next 20 years) you're gonna wish you had a rifle to defend yourself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:01 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:24 pm
Posts: 17224
pizza_Place: Pequods
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I’m not getting mad, but good luck telling people what they are and aren’t allowed to get mad about :lol:

Well they would deserve what they got if they took up arms against the government to fight against a legally passed Constitutional amendment.

Keep in mind here the issue isn't the repeal. I don't think it should be repealed. However the gun lobby is offering no solutions at all. America just flat out said it.

The unlikely repeal may be the only shot at any meaningful change.

I am pretty confident that total confiscation would result in an armed revolution regardless of it being completely legal.

I'm not sure confiscation would be part of it.

Banning the sale, transfer and use is probably enough.

Not really thanks to 3D printing and computerized CNC mills

Go ahead and print one. What are you going to do with it?

Honestly I prefer the CNC milled ones as they are equal in quality with the one you find at your local gun shop. Plus they finish quicker.

https://ghostgunner.net/products/ghost-gunner

_________________
“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:01 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
Nas wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:

Citing our military failures vs. the Taliban and the Viet Cong without acknowledging our involvement in areas where we had no real understanding of those groups or their rationales, the allure and support in their own homelands or their organizational makeup and size is disingenuous. It was more than anything and unfortunate display of our leadership's ignorance and arrogance imo. And so we have groups of lightly armed goofs giving it to us for decades.


You would think the revolutionary war would have taught us something about home field advantage.


A short 90 years later southerners proved that the lesson hadn't been learned by MANY

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:01 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 22576
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Upon further review, Scalia left a neat little hiccup in his Heller opinion that leaves open the idea of banning "dangerous and unusual weapons" as well as "arms that are highly unusual in society at large". You have got to respect the guy as a legal mind and provocateur if nothing else.

But do you really want to give this SCOTUS a chance to gnaw on "arms that are highly unusual in society at large", especially if Ginsburg checks out in the next 8 years or so?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:30 am
Posts: 1497
pizza_Place: Bianchis
Have we figured out the resolution yet fellas?

No? Maybe when this reaches page 20 everyone will be in agreement.

Good day.

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
Ah, Lemonparty, the 8th sacrament.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:03 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 41378
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
America wrote:
the only way to reliably put down an armed insurrection is genocide. if the US government is perpetrating a genocide (which I think will probably happen in the next 20 years) you're gonna wish you had a rifle to defend yourself.


Fuck yeah. The government can come at me with their short range nukes, I got a mother fuckin rifle!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:04 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 41378
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:07 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92099
Location: To the left of my post
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Honestly I prefer the CNC milled ones as they are equal in quality with the one you find at your local gun shop. Plus they finish quicker.

https://ghostgunner.net/products/ghost-gunner
So, what is a gun owner going to do with it? Can't shoot it anywhere. Can't carry it anywhere. Can't sell it or give it to anyone. Even if it use it in self defense in your home you are putting yourself in serious legal issues.

Or, instead of trying to literally remove an amendment of the Constitution, we just try and come up with some actual solutions to the current gun problem in the United States instead of pretending like it's either unsolvable or not a big deal or that the FBI should have locked up this kid for a youtube comment and being expelled from school.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:07 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92099
Location: To the left of my post
Caller Bob wrote:
Image

Literally what America(the poster) has used the past two days.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:08 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:28 am
Posts: 4053
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
The Bill of Rights is a fantastic document and I personally cherish those rights and would not part with any of them if it made me more safe and secure. What's the point of safety and security if you have no liberty?


Why are you not actively protesting the restrictions on our 6th amendment rights?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:10 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:13 pm
Posts: 15
pizza_Place: Italiano's
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Image

Literally what America(the poster) has used the past two days.


BRick, you're bad at this.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:11 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Image

Literally what America(the poster) has used the past two days.

Yup!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:12 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:13 pm
Posts: 15
pizza_Place: Italiano's
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
America wrote:
Nas wrote:
Fighting a land war on foreign territory and fighting on land that you are familiar with is different. RPB is right.

a soldier from Florida is going to very adept and familiar with rural Oregon.


The Unites States military definitely will be. Now will that soldier follow orders to attack Americans I don't know. They have drones that will.

They need people to remotely pilot those drones.

Ogie is correct. There is zero doubt in my mind that a great number of soldiers would defect if any of this even came close to happening.

Right-o! Just forget about that Civil War thing or Shay's Rebellion. Could never happen!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:13 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 41378
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
Image

Your V for Vendetta fantasies do make me laugh. If total anarchy hits, let me know how it works out for you.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:15 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92099
Location: To the left of my post
Caller Ron wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Image

Literally what America(the poster) has used the past two days.


BRick, you're bad at this.
He literally mentioned locking up mexicans and blacks in this thread who kill, while basically ignoring what happened here because school shootings don't happen much.

He didn't get to use the other category though.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:15 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
America wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
You over use the _____ is a bad look thing. It's ironically....a bad look.

How many people did Bundy have?

That was and continues to be the example Ogie us using.

You think the US military is unable to take out Bundy and pals?

So the US government is afraid of murdering people because they dont want to incite an armed insurrection that they know they cannot win....and you say that's a bad thing?

I said nothing about an armed insurrection and definitely didn't say any of this was a bad thing.

I'm just playing out the "defend against tyrannical government" thing in our current reality.


But anyway, seems were just back to the inevitable conclusion. Our rights to bear arms...any and all arms...is more important than any amount of dead people/kids.

That's just our reality. I get it.



"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Right. No amount of dead children will deter us. We're in agreement.

Look, we could end gang violence (which kills far more people) if we did away with the 4th Amendment. I still say that I would rather see gang members (and all citizens) maintain their constitutional rights than I would see us end gang violence. Why? Because when we do away with 4th Amendment rights for gang.members, doing away with those rights for you and me would quickly follow.

The Bill of Rights is a fantastic document and I personally cherish those rights and would not part with any of them if it made me more safe and secure. What's the point of safety and security if you have no liberty?

Right. Kinda sucks for parents of dead children though.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:16 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:24 pm
Posts: 17224
pizza_Place: Pequods
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Honestly I prefer the CNC milled ones as they are equal in quality with the one you find at your local gun shop. Plus they finish quicker.

https://ghostgunner.net/products/ghost-gunner
So, what is a gun owner going to do with it? Can't shoot it anywhere. Can't carry it anywhere. Can't sell it or give it to anyone. Even if it use it in self defense in your home you are putting yourself in serious legal issues.

Or, instead of trying to literally remove an amendment of the Constitution, we just try and come up with some actual solutions to the current gun problem in the United States instead of pretending like it's either unsolvable or not a big deal or that the FBI should have locked up this kid for a youtube comment and being expelled from school.

Your proposed law would never hold up against the 2nd Amendment. It's really not even worth discussing because no reading of the 2nd Amendment would allow for it

_________________
“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:16 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:45 pm
Posts: 690
pizza_Place: My own
How high do you have to be to think that the U.S. government could squash uprisings with nuclear weapons and F-15s?

It wouldn't and couldn't happen that way. Can you imagine being in the room when a president gave the order to nuke downtown Manhattan? My hope would be that the order would be refused on several levels.

We ARE the government. Those people in the military, congress, the bureaucracy, the cabinet, etc. are our neighbors, friends, and family. The government isn't some nebulous evil force that would nuke its own citizens. We could very well overthrow the government if enough people believed in it.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 846 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 ... 29  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group