Right. Kinda sucks for parents of dead children though.

It does suck, but some level of insecurity is the price you pay for a free society.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

How high do you have to be to think that the U.S. government could squash uprisings with nuclear weapons and F-15s?
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Your proposed law would never hold up against the 2nd Amendment. It's really not even worth discussing because no reading of the 2nd Amendment would allow for it

Gotta spend money to make money!

Ah, Lemonparty, the 8th sacrament.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

How high do you have to be to think that the U.S. government could squash uprisings with nuclear weapons and F-15s?

It wouldn't and couldn't happen that way. Can you imagine being in the room when a president gave the order to nuke downtown Manhattan? My hope would be that the order would be refused on several levels.

We ARE the government. Those people in the military, congress, the bureaucracy, the cabinet, etc. are our neighbors, friends, and family. The government isn't some nebulous evil force that would nuke its own citizens. We could very well overthrow the government if enough people believed in it.

Whoever came up with this is living in some sort of alternative reality.

Muslim shooter -> blame white people
Hispanic shooter -> blame white people
Black shooter -> blame white people
White shooter -> blame guns

At least 36 school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in 172 wounded and 80 killed (in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made public—neither confirming or refuting if they were under the influence of prescribed drugs). The most important fact about this list, is that these are only cases where the information about their psychiatric drug use was made public.

How reliable is the CCHR? I see they were started by the Church of Scientology but that was in the late 60's, not the empire we know today. Are they total bullshit, half-bullshit...?

https://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/

Moving goalposts again.

We're talking US Military vs a Bundy type group

They would not need nukes or F-15s

They would be stopped by common sense and political fall out. Not email guns.

Do you have to ask?

How high do you have to be to think that the U.S. government could squash uprisings with nuclear weapons and F-15s?

It wouldn't and couldn't happen that way. Can you imagine being in the room when a president gave the order to nuke downtown Manhattan? My hope would be that the order would be refused on several levels.

We ARE the government. Those people in the military, congress, the bureaucracy, the cabinet, etc. are our neighbors, friends, and family. The government isn't some nebulous evil force that would nuke its own citizens. We could very well overthrow the government if enough people believed in it.

What's the point of limiting it to a small group, though? Why don't you just limit it to one person instead of a handful?

Seems like you want to argue on your own terms with an arbitrary set of circumstances that just happen to support your belief.

No I'm arguing with Ogie and his contention about Bundy.

Ask him I guess, he brought it up

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I'm not a lawyer...

Tell me, if the Feds killed Bundy and some of the militiamen there, how would the larger militia movement react? How would US soldiers (many of whom have family in militias and are sympathetic to their movement) would react?

You're speaking of it as a small group. I'm speaking in terms to the larger militia movement in this country, and yes it exists.

FFS. Well, that at least explains a lot of your specious legal analysis on this board.

The Bill of Rights is a fantastic document and I personally cherish those rights and would not part with any of them if it made me more safe and secure. What's the point of safety and security if you have no liberty?

You must be a big supporter of the Palestinians.

Why are you not rioting in the streets today over the infringement of the 6th amendment that occurs hundreds of millions of times a year?

Why are you not rioting in the streets today over the infringement of the 6th amendment that occurs hundreds of millions of times a year?

That's all I'll say in regards to that here though as I really don't want to derail it too much.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

They've poisoned, performed experiments and MANY other awful things. I wouldn't be quick to say what they wouldn't do.

Too late.

The lack of understanding of rural culture here is astounding.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?