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until a mental health professional says that you are fine.


That's not how mental health treatment works. I was treated for something, but never given a "Certified: Not Crazy" diploma.


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Wow, random range by JLN, my guess is Nas stays cool as a cucumber, as always.


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More fake outrage from the pedophile defender. Can't say I'm surprised.

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NEW: Broward County Sheriff's Office apparently notified in Feb. 2016 of Instagram post from Jan. 2016, under the name of Nikolas Cruz, that he was going to shoot his school, law enforcement source tells CBS News; Cruz was holding weapon in photo http://cbsn.ws/2EsYjZ7

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this totally negates anything the cubs did that year


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NEW: Broward County Sheriff's Office apparently notified in Feb. 2016 of Instagram post from Jan. 2016, under the name of Nikolas Cruz, that he was going to shoot his school, law enforcement source tells CBS News; Cruz was holding weapon in photo http://cbsn.ws/2EsYjZ7


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NEW: Broward County Sheriff's Office apparently notified in Feb. 2016 of Instagram post from Jan. 2016, under the name of Nikolas Cruz, that he was going to shoot his school, law enforcement source tells CBS News; Cruz was holding weapon in photo http://cbsn.ws/2EsYjZ7


Always, a clue there is. Look, you must.


Not to get all Alex Jones-y, here but: Always two, there are...


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NEW: Broward County Sheriff's Office apparently notified in Feb. 2016 of Instagram post from Jan. 2016, under the name of Nikolas Cruz, that he was going to shoot his school, law enforcement source tells CBS News; Cruz was holding weapon in photo http://cbsn.ws/2EsYjZ7


Always, a clue there is. Look, you must.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I think if you've had mental health treatment that you forfeit your 2nd amendment rights


That will certainly encourage people who want to own guns to also seek treatment for mental health issues!

Nas wrote:
until a mental health professional says that you are fine.


That's not how mental health treatment works. I was treated for something, but never given a "Certified: Not Crazy" diploma. So in your insane world I would also be precluded from now owning a weapon.

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This kid was expelled from school because of violence and reported to the FBI because of a video threat of violence but was legally allowed to own this weapon.


"Video threat of violence" do you mean "a comment on YouTube from an account bearing his name was reported to the FBI"? The two are not at all the same same, and even the FBI said they could not confirm who was behind the account. Good to see you pontificating on the rights people should have while knowing all the relevant facts, though.

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The kid needed additional treatment but America (Not Croissant America) gave him a gun and essentially allowed him to slaughter other innocent kids.


That's so disingenuous you need to be told to go fuck yourself.


For these two statements, I think giving you a gun is not in the best interests of your neighbors, or society as a whole.

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Seacrest wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I think if you've had mental health treatment that you forfeit your 2nd amendment rights


That will certainly encourage people who want to own guns to also seek treatment for mental health issues!

Nas wrote:
until a mental health professional says that you are fine.


That's not how mental health treatment works. I was treated for something, but never given a "Certified: Not Crazy" diploma. So in your insane world I would also be precluded from now owning a weapon.

Nas wrote:
This kid was expelled from school because of violence and reported to the FBI because of a video threat of violence but was legally allowed to own this weapon.


"Video threat of violence" do you mean "a comment on YouTube from an account bearing his name was reported to the FBI"? The two are not at all the same same, and even the FBI said they could not confirm who was behind the account. Good to see you pontificating on the rights people should have while knowing all the relevant facts, though.

Nas wrote:
The kid needed additional treatment but America (Not Croissant America) gave him a gun and essentially allowed him to slaughter other innocent kids.


That's so disingenuous you need to be told to go fuck yourself.


For these two statements, I think giving you a gun is not in the best interests of your neighbors, or society as a whole.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I think if you've had mental health treatment that you forfeit your 2nd amendment rights


That will certainly encourage people who want to own guns to also seek treatment for mental health issues!

Nas wrote:
until a mental health professional says that you are fine.


That's not how mental health treatment works. I was treated for something, but never given a "Certified: Not Crazy" diploma. So in your insane world I would also be precluded from now owning a weapon.

Nas wrote:
This kid was expelled from school because of violence and reported to the FBI because of a video threat of violence but was legally allowed to own this weapon.


"Video threat of violence" do you mean "a comment on YouTube from an account bearing his name was reported to the FBI"? The two are not at all the same same, and even the FBI said they could not confirm who was behind the account. Good to see you pontificating on the rights people should have while knowing all the relevant facts, though.

Nas wrote:
The kid needed additional treatment but America (Not Croissant America) gave him a gun and essentially allowed him to slaughter other innocent kids.


That's so disingenuous you need to be told to go fuck yourself.


Very nasty! Unhinged!

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You can go ahead and shoot me but I think people who lose their composure while admonishing others that do the same thing, are very poor candidates for firearms ownership.

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Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I think if you've had mental health treatment that you forfeit your 2nd amendment rights


That will certainly encourage people who want to own guns to also seek treatment for mental health issues!

Nas wrote:
until a mental health professional says that you are fine.


That's not how mental health treatment works. I was treated for something, but never given a "Certified: Not Crazy" diploma. So in your insane world I would also be precluded from now owning a weapon.

Nas wrote:
This kid was expelled from school because of violence and reported to the FBI because of a video threat of violence but was legally allowed to own this weapon.


"Video threat of violence" do you mean "a comment on YouTube from an account bearing his name was reported to the FBI"? The two are not at all the same same, and even the FBI said they could not confirm who was behind the account. Good to see you pontificating on the rights people should have while knowing all the relevant facts, though.

Nas wrote:
The kid needed additional treatment but America (Not Croissant America) gave him a gun and essentially allowed him to slaughter other innocent kids.


That's so disingenuous you need to be told to go fuck yourself.


Very nasty! Unhinged!


Your standard response when you've been called on bullshit you spew.


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Even with the epidemic levels of inner city gun related crimes the actual crime rate has been trending significantly down, while these school shooting rise. Dozens of articles from smart people have only come to the conclusion that none of the proposed legislation would have prevented any of them, just like it wouldnt prevent the inner city murders. "I want gun control" needs to be followed with actual ideas because they people that have went beyond the talking point haven't found them, short of banning all guns which is never going to happen. And ask people in China how they like their meat cleaver attacks. Or how people in the UK like their acid attacks. Those are also phenomena of violence.

If people want to punish the gun manufacturers and the lobby and the politicians they pay, I really dont care. But it won't solve anything. It's the height of disingenuous and all about scoring political points for your tribe.


This is the single best article I have ever read on this phenomenon - take ten minutes to read it:

Thresholds of Violence: How school shootings catch on

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015 ... f-violence

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You can go ahead and shoot me but I think people who lose their composure while admonishing others that do the same thing, are very poor candidates for firearms ownership.


You think a lot of things that are bullshit.


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And ask people in China how they like their meat cleaver attacks.

Less than 20 documented fatalities in the past decade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_at ... E2%80%9312)

Let's run the numbers in the United States now, smart guy.


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And ask people in China how they like their meat cleaver attacks.

Less than 20 documented fatalities in the past decade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_at ... E2%80%9312)

Let's run the numbers in the United States now, smart guy.


The same country that suffered 25 million plus dead under a communist government, AFTER they de-armed the population.

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Caller Bob wrote:
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And ask people in China how they like their meat cleaver attacks.

Less than 20 documented fatalities in the past decade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_at ... E2%80%9312)

Let's run the numbers in the United States now, smart guy.


Documented is the issue. The communist government doesn't want the information out. There are far more than 20 people missing limbs. There are documentaries covering it, I'll leave it to you to find them, smart guy.

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mrgoodkat wrote:
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mrgoodkat wrote:
And ask people in China how they like their meat cleaver attacks.

Less than 20 documented fatalities in the past decade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_at ... E2%80%9312)

Let's run the numbers in the United States now, smart guy.


Documented is the issue. The communist government doesn't want the information out. There are far more than 20 people missing limbs. There are documentaries covering it, I'll leave it to you to find them, smart guy.


Missing a limb doesn't suck as bad as being dead..fyi. Hell you can be a senator.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I think if you've had mental health treatment that you forfeit your 2nd amendment rights


That will certainly encourage people who want to own guns to also seek treatment for mental health issues!

Nas wrote:
until a mental health professional says that you are fine.


That's not how mental health treatment works. I was treated for something, but never given a "Certified: Not Crazy" diploma. So in your insane world I would also be precluded from now owning a weapon.

Nas wrote:
This kid was expelled from school because of violence and reported to the FBI because of a video threat of violence but was legally allowed to own this weapon.


"Video threat of violence" do you mean "a comment on YouTube from an account bearing his name was reported to the FBI"? The two are not at all the same same, and even the FBI said they could not confirm who was behind the account. Good to see you pontificating on the rights people should have while knowing all the relevant facts, though.

Nas wrote:
The kid needed additional treatment but America (Not Croissant America) gave him a gun and essentially allowed him to slaughter other innocent kids.


That's so disingenuous you need to be told to go fuck yourself.


Very nasty! Unhinged!


Your standard response when you've been called on bullshit you spew.


I'm just trying to have a civil debate. I'm open to listening to your solutions.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-c ... ref=scroll

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And ask people in China how they like their meat cleaver attacks.

Less than 20 documented fatalities in the past decade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_at ... E2%80%9312)

Let's run the numbers in the United States now, smart guy.


The same country that suffered 25 million plus dead under a communist government, AFTER they de-armed the population.

that's a real lowball estimate on the number killed under Mao

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Caller Bob wrote:
mrgoodkat wrote:
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mrgoodkat wrote:
And ask people in China how they like their meat cleaver attacks.

Less than 20 documented fatalities in the past decade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_at ... E2%80%9312)

Let's run the numbers in the United States now, smart guy.


Documented is the issue. The communist government doesn't want the information out. There are far more than 20 people missing limbs. There are documentaries covering it, I'll leave it to you to find them, smart guy.


Missing a limb doesn't suck as bad as being dead..fyi. Hell you can be a senator.


If your livelihood was farming in rural China, it does. It leads to all manner of horrible decisions, like suicide and the killing of babies your family cannot afford to have after you lost a limb or two.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-cruz-trained-with-florida-white-supremacist-group-leader-says?ref=scroll

Trump guy.


Just look at his eyes. Only warning sign needed.


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Great. Nobody is suggesting regime change though..just stricter laws that prevent 19 year old nut jobs(and JLN) from getting guns.


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Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I think if you've had mental health treatment that you forfeit your 2nd amendment rights


That will certainly encourage people who want to own guns to also seek treatment for mental health issues!

Nas wrote:
until a mental health professional says that you are fine.


That's not how mental health treatment works. I was treated for something, but never given a "Certified: Not Crazy" diploma. So in your insane world I would also be precluded from now owning a weapon.

Nas wrote:
This kid was expelled from school because of violence and reported to the FBI because of a video threat of violence but was legally allowed to own this weapon.


"Video threat of violence" do you mean "a comment on YouTube from an account bearing his name was reported to the FBI"? The two are not at all the same same, and even the FBI said they could not confirm who was behind the account. Good to see you pontificating on the rights people should have while knowing all the relevant facts, though.

Nas wrote:
The kid needed additional treatment but America (Not Croissant America) gave him a gun and essentially allowed him to slaughter other innocent kids.


That's so disingenuous you need to be told to go fuck yourself.


Very nasty! Unhinged!


Your standard response when you've been called on bullshit you spew.


I'm just trying to have a civil debate.


Any time you want to start debating, then, go ahead. I'll recap:

1. "Forfeiting" rights when seeking mental health treatment will surely encourage MANY gun owners to seek treatment (it won't, it will exacerbate the problem).

2. Mental health treatment doesn't culminate in an "all good" certificate or diagnosis, and we're still not really sure which mental illnesses are lifelong, recurring, curable, manageable, or what, to the degree where we can start taking people's rights away for seeking treatment.

3. It was a YouTube comment featuring his name (don't bring up the Insta post, that's unconfirmed and wasn't part of your original argument) made mention of violence, it is unknown whether he was behind the account.

4. Saying he was "given" a gun by the country and "allowed to slaughter children" is disgustingly disingenuous.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I think if you've had mental health treatment that you forfeit your 2nd amendment rights


That will certainly encourage people who want to own guns to also seek treatment for mental health issues!

Nas wrote:
until a mental health professional says that you are fine.


That's not how mental health treatment works. I was treated for something, but never given a "Certified: Not Crazy" diploma. So in your insane world I would also be precluded from now owning a weapon.

Nas wrote:
This kid was expelled from school because of violence and reported to the FBI because of a video threat of violence but was legally allowed to own this weapon.


"Video threat of violence" do you mean "a comment on YouTube from an account bearing his name was reported to the FBI"? The two are not at all the same same, and even the FBI said they could not confirm who was behind the account. Good to see you pontificating on the rights people should have while knowing all the relevant facts, though.

Nas wrote:
The kid needed additional treatment but America (Not Croissant America) gave him a gun and essentially allowed him to slaughter other innocent kids.


That's so disingenuous you need to be told to go fuck yourself.


Very nasty! Unhinged!


Your standard response when you've been called on bullshit you spew.


I'm just trying to have a civil debate.


Any time you want to start debating, then, go ahead. I'll recap:

1. "Forfeiting" rights when seeking mental health treatment will surely encourage MANY gun owners to seek treatment (it won't, it will exacerbate the problem).

2. Mental health treatment doesn't culminate in an "all good" certificate or diagnosis, and we're still not really sure which mental illnesses are lifelong, recurring, curable, manageable, or what, to the degree where we can start taking people's rights away for seeking treatment.

3. It was a YouTube comment featuring his name (don't bring up the Insta post, that's unconfirmed and wasn't part of your original argument) made mention of violence, it is unknown whether he was behind the account.

4. Saying he was "given" a gun by the country and "allowed to slaughter children" is disgustingly disingenuous.


So you've told me that I was wrong (not unexpected) but I'm interested in hearing what you to see done. Remember there are no perfect solutions.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-cruz-trained-with-florida-white-supremacist-group-leader-says?ref=scroll

Trump guy.


This is just like ISIS claiming responsibility for anything to further the brand.

Of course he includes the Jews and " feminism is cancer" reference in there.

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