By the mid-1970s, at least 150 planes had been “skyjacked” in the United States alone, and radical groups in the Middle East had turned to hijackings as a way to seize the spotlight.

and then they, you know, installed some security measures.

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One time I thought I was because they did it on the way there and back.

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The guys conducting the studies are well versed on how to beat the test also. 90% is alarming but would the average guy know how to beat the test using similar methods?

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Isn't the shooter a white dude that got adopted by Cubans or something?

The average guy probably isn't the one that's going to hijack a plane though.

OK how about this. Ever try to get into a Cubs game without a ticket? how'd that work out?

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How many post 1987 were in the US? Only 9/11

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yeah, the guy who wants to hijack a plane can probably figure out the weaknesses in the system

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No, Dominicans.

Yes, but that changes the narrative. Non minority kid with problems is adopted. Goes on shooting spree.

BAN ADOPTIONS! RUINING WHITEY!!

OK. when did they install metal detectors in airports?

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15 years before hijackings stopped being the norm so they weren't the reason that they stopped

I guess my larger point is that it isn't security that stopped in flight hijackings. It was other factors as the TSA (and its predecessors) are pretty fucking incompetent

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You're not worried about the average guy, though, you're worried about the person who wants to be able to beat the screening so they can do something nefarious in or near the plane.

The fact is that metal detectors were installed in 1973 after which hijackings declined precipitously. After further security measures in 2001 we have not had a single one.

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Given the rarity of hijackings from 1987 to 2001 (0 before 9/11) is it really additional security measures that made us safer or is it just that no one has really attempted it? I'm going with the latter.

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Hopefully school shooters get lazy too.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

There have been 240 since Sandy Hook. I doubt it will happen.

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AP-FLORIDA: After killing 17 people, high school shooter bought a drink at Subway, went to Walmart then sat down at McDonald's before cops found him.

Worst thing to enter a Subway since Jared

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Citation needed.

This sounds like the "18 this year" factoid being thrown around. That number comes from a Bloomberg campaign and includes 10 non-fatal shootings and 3 suicides.

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I think the non fatal ones still count as "shootings"

I'll give you the suicides.

So ONLY 15.

He was a part of a "white supremist group" yet he shot a bunch of white kids. That report might not be true.

Most of the "non fatal shootings" are things like a gunshot being fired near the campus after-hours or on a weekend. If you go through the list you'll see it's pretty much bullshit.

Heck, one of them is an accidental discharge by a cop on campus

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Also includes after hours shootings involving parents after a basketball game and a criminal justice student who accidentally discharged a weapon they were handling as part of the class, as well as another accidental discharge of a weapon in a backpack (no indication on whether the weapons presence was nefarious).

Also a few incidents of others firing into a crowd near a school from a vehicle.

Yup.

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The thing about a lot of these "white supremacist" teenage shitheads is that they know they have no claim to supremacy. In fact, they seem to pretty much hate themselves and their lot in life. They recognize that they don't stand to benefit from white nationalism; they'd be among the first against the wall. They just want to wreck shit because they feel left behind and hopeless. They're lost little sadists.

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This is the very partisan Bloomber funded group we were discussing. Right off the bat I clicked on a dot on Mississippi and got this


Wow. We really need to go after the Blake's in the world. Take away the guns!

http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... rely-true/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... un-safety/

Do better Nas.

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He was at a school, right? You can go through the list and narrow them down if you like. If it's 150 that you find legitimate that's still too many in 4 years. Let's not get distracted.

Also keep in mind they don't count things like this.

Clearly it is difficult to draw lines. The Everytown list did not include the recent and highly publicized shooting spree in Isla Vista, Calif. In that case, the shooter was a student at the University of California at Santa Barbara, and he targeted other students, including women living in a sorority house near the campus. Seven people died, but the shooting wasn’t technically on campus, so it didn’t make the list.

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