This is still blatantly untrue. Please point out the post where he says this if you disagree.

You’re digging yourself deeper here man. Just say you misspoke and move on.

Where did I say he personally did? He chose to speak for all gun owners. He didn't say if he is shooting an LEO that wants his illegal AR15. Maybe he can clarify he would willing turn it over.

Ogie can defend himself if he didn't mean that gun owners would shoot authorities attempting to confiscate illegal guns and that if they died that terrorist attacks would follow. Seems pretty straight forward with my two quotes.

Jesus Christ, you are an asshole.

No need for this. Rick is a good guy.

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

My issue with Ogie is not his repeated calls for violence against LEO, but the fact when he is pressed to take up action himself he has specifically stated he won't do it. That is hard for me to reconcile.

Why is that hard to reconcile? MANY here believe ISIS should be stopped at all costs. Very few among us have signed an oath saying we would carry out the task ourselves.

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

There's too much to unpack in that analogy.

An institutionalized police force vs. a sporadic world wide terrorist organization. Comparing those two groups is silly, and makes me think you're more drunk than me right now.

Im pretty hammered right now.

But I think the analogy is still ok. You’re asking why somesone won’t personally do what he’s celebrating others for doing. How is that not a direct metaphor for our civilians views on our military?

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

The posts I'm referring to were some time late in the summer I think where Ogie was constantly stating people should take up arms and start shooting the police. When he was challenged on it, he directly told everyone he wasn't going to be the person out there shooting cops.

I think the disconnect for me personally is the Isis thing is more of a... hassle I guess to undertake the burden of traveling to those fucked up countries to join the fight whereas "fighting" the police domestically is much easier.

I've notice Ogie get...friendly...with the idea of violence towards police as retribution for perceived wrongs, on more than one occasion. I never assessed it as in any way credible or threatening. Instead, given his views in other political arenas, I always saw it as an outlet of pent-up frustration at something (police abusing their authority to hurt citizens) so fundamentally contrary to our way of life and notions of freedom. It's in the same vein as BLM'ers with similar, or the exact same, views, or those jailhouse dudes clapping for Bauer's murderer as he was lead through the holding area: It might not actually be about a desire to commit violence on police officers as retribution or fighting against tyranny—and I personally prefer this view, because I think that most humans are good—but god damnit, it is just so wrong that police officers can get off so easily after taking the life of an unarmed/nonviolent civilian, because things aren't supposed to be that way (right?!). Or so the thinking goes.

As a former promulgator of these types of views and this type of toxic rhetoric, I will hope Ogie sees it all as rather childish and ultimately counter productive sooner rather than later, as I hope all people who hold similar ideas do, but I cannot deny their thought processes: It appears really, really, prevalent, and at first blush is so egregiously counter to our supposed ideals of laws and process.

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

Don’t do that. Too many idiots on this board will take that at face value.

Im pretty hammered right now.

This from the guy that says every cop should be murdered.


Oh wait...remember that??

Remember how you tried this last time and even threw in a weed joke about bad memory and I fucking schooled you? Want to play again?



12:20 AM

Im pretty hammered right now.

So you didn't say you thought every cop should be killed?

I mean...it's a simple question.

I did not.

Im pretty hammered right now.

You're right. I'm wrong.
I mean, if there is anybody that is pro-cop around here ....it's you.


You really doing this? Damn.....Your old board buddies ain't kidding...you really have changed

Im pretty hammered right now.

Ogie can defend himself if he didn't mean that gun owners would shoot authorities attempting to confiscate illegal guns and that if they died that terrorist attacks would follow. Seems pretty straight forward with my two quotes.

This is one of the only reasonable arguments I’ve heard against Ogie’s thoughts. I don’t entirely agree with JLN here, particularly the last part, but it’s a logical counter argument instead of “you’re threatening to kill everyone!” and “you’re what is wrong with this country!”. Rick, Frank, and One Post should take notes.

What do you think it would look like if the government tried to confiscate guns?

It's easy to say that nobody "needs" guns now because government is benevolent and we have police (with guns) to protect us from criminals and we've destroyed the habitat of most predatory animals that might try to rip us to shreds. But I think that people who have such a viewpoint are discounting American history and just how deep certain traditions and values run.

I would compare it to the horse. There's no logical reason why eating horsemeat should be taboo the way it is in the U.S., but that belief is emotional and based in the deep roots of America and the way she was founded and expanded. The same thing can be said for guns.

I’ve said the same thing. I think that would very likely be true if total confiscation happened. Am I threatening to kill everyone with this post?

Whatever the non-condescending way to say be smarter is, consider it said.

The "tradition" argument is the same argument that was trotted out to defend bans on interracial marriage, to defend segregated schools, to defend slavery, to defend bans on gay marriage.

We have lots of deep rooted traditions in the US, some of those traditions are shitty.

My issue with Ogie is not his repeated calls for violence against LEO, but the fact when he is pressed to take up action himself he has specifically stated he won't do it. That conflict of conviction is hard for me to reconcile.

What do you think it would look like if the government tried to confiscate guns?

It's easy to say that nobody "needs" guns now because government is benevolent and we have police (with guns) to protect us from criminals and we've destroyed the habitat of most predatory animals that might try to rip us to shreds. But I think that people who have such a viewpoint are discounting American history and just how deep certain traditions and values run.

I would compare it to the horse. There's no logical reason why eating horsemeat should be taboo the way it is in the U.S., but that belief is emotional and based in the deep roots of America and the way she was founded and expanded. The same thing can be said for guns.