Correct. This decision is wrong.

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It is ok to let a 17 year old choose hormone therapy.
It is ok to let an 18 year old purchase an assault rifle.
But said adolescent has to wait until they are 21 to purchase a 6-pack of Michelob Ultra Light pisswater.

Yep, makes sense to me.

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You need parent permission to play football too.

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Haha. Well said. I remember being 13 at Christmas Mass trying not to pop a chubby because all the cute older girls would be there in their short Christmas skirts. What Christmas mass is all about.

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This Ohio judge should sentence Frank and Caller Bob to a slap-and-tickle fight.

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What's more worrying to me is they were almost charged with a crime for not letting Timmy slice his dick off.

I use to think Sam Hyde's line about state enforced homosexuality was a joke.

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My issue is xyz should be OK because of my religion. There are MANY other valid reasons why the child should or shouldn't go through with her therapy other than religion. What a weak argument.

I am not sure of the legal wording so we need JLN to chime in. I think there is or should be a freedom of religion clause that has to do with "you are under 18 and my child in my house and my religion here is what we do" unless the religion lets you fuck, carve up and eat little kids.

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It's not a straw man. Why do we let a 12 year old consent to football but not let a 17 year old consent to hormone therapy? To me, both seem pretty dangerous and can cause irreparable harm to a young person.

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Especially at the age of 17. These parents are turning their back on their 17 year old because the church told them to do so.

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By comparing tackle football to hormone therapy, I think BRick just cemented his status as the biggest burrito in this message board's history.

Uh, because we don't let a 12 year old consent to football?

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It's called the First Amendment. You don't need Juice and his Windows Clipboard for that.

Caller Bob, Who are you crappin'?

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Exactly. I was waiting for that.

Parents consent required for all dangerous activities for under 18 year olds. A judge is wrong for overriding that consent and letting a minor choose for themselves. A parent can choose to put their kid in football at 12 even though it is clearly dangerous. They can force them to play or not to play. So far so good? Parental rights and everything else?

Now, should the government be able to tell parents they can't put their 12 year old in hormone therapy? Shouldn't parental rights allow them to?

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I think there's a bigger philosophical question here than the individual parents and kids and that is, do you feel the government is more capable of raising your child(ren) than you are?

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That's exactly right. And liberals and big government types have been trying to supersede the power of parents for a while now. In their eyes, the state is better at raising your children than you are.

Just look at the case of that British child who was not allowed to come to America by the Brits to get some experimental treatment despite the parents wanting it to happen. It will only get worse. You will see more and more lawsuits by children against their parents from ACLU shitheel lawyers all in the name of a "child's rights" allegedly being suppressed.

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There would be no abortion debate if MANY of us didn't feel that the government should provide some protections for the most fragile members of our society. This isn't just about big government liberals.

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GO BEARS!!!

That's not what's happening here, though. The government is removing altogether the authority of these parents to decide on dangerous and life-altering medical procedures for their minor child precisely because they did not consent to said medical procedure. It's not about parental consent, it's about taking away your child if you don't guess right and grant the consent a judge thinks you should have.

I think that question is a little bit too generic. For instance, I am positive that the government would better educate my children than I would which is why there is no chance I will home school. There are other things I provide much better than the government could.

The major point is that we can't just use the "parents say so" rule for everything. We need the government to be a form of protection from certain things. Now, maybe we disagree on the dangers, and given this thread I'm guessing that most think hormone therapy for 12 year olds is wrong with or without consent. I agree with that too. I just have a hard time understanding why, if football is determined to be very dangerous too(paging JLN to tell me that there isn't any proof of that), that it is ok but hormone therapy wouldn't be.

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There was a time before "big government liberals" when there was no debate about abortion, and our government did provide protections to the most powerless among us.

So this is a another case of the government knows better about your kids then you and I do.

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I don't think you really believe that. It's simply a matter of you not having time to spend educating your children. And I believe the statistics support the argument that home-schooled children are far more prepared for university than public school children. And that's with most of them being home-schooled by religious whackjobs rather than a sane person like yourself.

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It certainly is about parental consent. While obviously not a perfect analogy, it's not much different than a parent who doesn't "consent" to cancer treatments for a child and the court overrules them. A less extreme example would be a parent who doesn't "consent" to their child going to school.

Parental consent, whether positive or negative, is the same thing. They denied a currently accepted medical practice against the wishes of the child and the experts they chose to take them too.

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It's not even close to a good analogy. It's more like a parent refusing to consent to a child having Jeff Stryker use his penis enlargement device on his cock and a judge insisting the kid is entitled to go for the extra inch.

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I do. I'm not a trained educational professional. Why would I be better at it than one? I don't think I'd fix my furnace better than Darkside or be a better lawyer than JLN so why would I think I could teach better than a trained professional?

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I think gender dysphoria is a real thing. I think it's such a new "acceptable" concept in society that many don't which causes these issues.

Still, when we are talking about someone who is nearly an adult able to make decisions for themselves we do treat them with slightly more ability to make their own decisions and I can bring up a lot of examples of that.

Ultimately, I hope the parents are happy they chose their church over their child.

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