How exactly am I being dishonest? You posted a topic cheering that town hall. You really don't see how it's a bad faith "argument" to haul out kids who were shot at a few days ago to cry and insult politicians?

Also, I don't consider you the slightest bit liberal. I often wonder why you aren't a Republican.

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The problem is the attitude of the anti-gun people. You can't turn on a TV without being lectured by basically every TV personality about what a monster you are if you don't want to enact some sort of undefined legislation that may help a little or not at all. And most of it is nonsense. It's great that people care, but the vast majority of these virtue signallers haven't the slightest idea what they're talking about. I guarantee there are only a handful who have any idea what laws are currently on the books. Think about how ridiculous that is... it would be like arguing that cars all drive too fast on the interstate so we should reduce the speed limit to 50. It's hilarious logic, really.

The gun-fanatics will stop getting called names when they stop calling people who think a mentally unstable 19 year old shouldn't be able to buy an AR-15, gun-grabbers.

i just turn on NRA TV

I think you are being dishonest about the overwhelming majority of liberals wanting to disarm the population. I alsothink you overlook the extreme views of the very far right on gun issues. Everyone isn't like Darkside.

I love seeing kids active and passionate about issues. Are there people on both sides of the debate trying to influence them? Sure. I don't question if the kids are being genuine about wanting something to change though.

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Of course they are Nas. They are dramatic snowflakes. Hardly anyone is suggesting this.

The 2nd Amendment is written very specifically. It's designed to absolutely not be open to interpretation. That doesn't mean it's perfect or even right, but the intention is clear. And if we start tossing core components of the Constitution, I'm not sure we have a country anymore.

If you don't think citizens "need" to own guns, you either believe (a) that an armed citizenry would stand no chance against the might U.S. government with its nukes, tanks, and air power (I think we've seen enough examples of armed citizens resisting to know that isn't true. The Afghans have now chased the two greatest military powers in history out of their country. The citizens just have to put up enough of a fight to make things difficult. Then there will usually be outside influence. Who knows? Maybe in two hundred years there will be a musical about the first president of the New Communist Republic, Tall Midget and his right hand man, Hilbiert Lafayetisov.) or (b) that the U.S. government is so benevolent that taking up arms against it would never be necessary (This is an extremely disingenuous position coming from those who have insisted for the past year and a half that Donald Trump is a dictator who is seizing power as we speak.)

The only other option is that you feel the trade off of trusting that the government will stay benign is a worthwhile one to make in order to eliminate or at least reduce gun violence. I think this is where Boilermaker Rick is coming from. That's not a dishonest position and it's a fair discussion. It would be similar to my feeling that risking a shoe bomber is worth it if I don't have to remove my shoes at the airport.

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That is the only possible way to achieve their stated goals. There are trade offs for freedom.

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Ironic that it took a Supreme Court interpretation of it to come to the conclusion that the people are the militia.

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Prohibiting or restricting access to some citizens and the banning of some tools/weapons has happened for decades and the country has been fine. I think a more educated and trained population would be better for all of us.

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Nas I find it particular disingenuous that the Gun folks have decided to compare their cause to the Civil rights movement.


I don't feel the plight of folks ability to buy assault weapons, unabated, is a fair comparison to the Civil Rights struggle the Black community has faced in the history of this country. Very unfortunate comment there.

because you have a booger in your nose that you are not aware of and I think its funny

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That's fair.

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http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Also, people aren't reacting to wing factions. They are reacting to the position of your spokesman. You may say they don't represent you but on some level gun owners either have to rebel against the NRA in some fashion, demand a change in their positions from within or wear it.

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I've now won the argument that I'm more liberal than you!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I don't look at them in any way. Unless they are pointing their gun at me in which case my eyes get real wide.

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My reading of that was "Don't assume the worst of me because of the words or actions of a minority of people in a group that I am affiliated with." I have no issue with that and in most cases would agree with it.

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42% of American homes have a gun in it.
5 million NRA members.
They are not our spokesman.

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Most gun owners are fine and not gun nuts. Some enable the gun nuts like supporting the NRA after those terrible excuses they made this week but I understand they do it because they are scared of their guns being taken away while also thinking the 2nd amendment will never be repealed.

Real gun nuts like the Bundys that steal from all of us like armed robbers are terrible though.

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When did that happen?

True, but people don't choose their race or ethnicity. You choose your political/social beliefs. And often your beliefs contradict that of someone else. I don't feel the comparison was on point.

That's fair.

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They owe over a million to the government in grazing fees that are already artificially low.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

They control($$$) roughly 30%(if not more) of our elected representatives. They kinda are.

Okay, so when did they steal from me like armed robbers?

Not my president

You ask why. I tell you why.

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Because the 'ammosexuals' (That is great, hadn't seen that yet) are the ones with the money and the power to sway lawmakers. You're willing to negotiate reasonable controls and concessions. But you're not in a position to. The NRA and its money is doubling up to try ensure that absolutely no 'ground' is given. The NRA has been chosen by you folks as your representing body.

This.

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You pay taxes?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Of course, but they didn't take any of my money. They didn't stick up any of us like armed robbers. They took what you think is rightfully the US Government's money. It's not like the government takes more money from me because these guys didn't pay a couple million bucks.