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Brick

Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:48 pm

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storkinastorm wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

I believe a good 70%+ of ALL Americans would find it unacceptable and even fight-worthy if the government ever seriously considered repealing it.

I want to believe you are correct but I really don't think so.

Also, I don't believe it would happen the way some of you imagine. It's not gonna be some Trump-like dope being a dictator and ordering you to shut up. It begins with silencing stuff that is easy to silence, like "the n-word" for example. You see we can't even type it and instead use a childish construction although we all know what it means. But who is going to argue for the right to use that word? Some will, but you look like an asshole if you do. And it expands from there. Sure, that word offends Regular Reader, but guaranteed there are guys here offended by the word "retarded" or even "fat". The next thing you know free speech doesn't exist. The First Amendment isn't designed to protect my ability to say, "You guys are all wonderful!" That requires no protection. Although now that I think about it, Baby and BRick might argue about it.

Political correctness and free speech are only connected in a small way.

But political correctness is only the tip of the spear. You have more and more groups on college campuses thinking the first amendment should be restricted or even canned due to their inherent belief of not wanting to be offended. These derelicts will graduate and spread their bullshit to others and eventually procreate to continue the cycle. It will only get worse. It's not going to be fast, but it will slowly fester.

As TS Eliot said, "This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang. But with a whimper"

I'm guessing they've said this about colleges for at least 50 years.

What the hell are you talking about? College was once where people went to exchange ideas. You have some strange world views.

It still is regardless of the "Baby down a well" syndrome.

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Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:49 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Yeah. Colleges were never like this especially during the Vietnam War.

no, they weren't. this is one of the your first decent observations in a while. what prompted this type of lucid thought from you? should we call an ambulance?

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:50 pm

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pittmike wrote:

Probably Rick. But you have to at least acknowledge those who wonder how and if the PC type limits we see now will expand greatly.

That's just people getting older. I'm sure my grandparents felt the same about my generation at age 20.

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Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:50 pm

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Boilermaker wrote:

Yeah. Colleges were never like this especially during the Vietnam War.

The difference being, those students were demanding the right to be heard as opposed to attempting to deny others such a right.

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JORR

Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:51 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Probably Rick. But you have to at least acknowledge those who wonder how and if the PC type limits we see now will expand greatly.

That's just people getting older. I'm sure my grandparents felt the same about my generation at age 20.

Please don't introduce a strawman.

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SuperMario

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:52 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Yeah. Colleges were never like this especially during the Vietnam War.

Here's the difference. During Vietnam, you had the government and authorities trying to curb free speech. Now, you have the people themselves wanting to curb it. Those kids in the 60s were fighting to say what the kids now are fighting to prohibit.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:53 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Probably Rick. But you have to at least acknowledge those who wonder how and if the PC type limits we see now will expand greatly.

That's just people getting older. I'm sure my grandparents felt the same about my generation at age 20.

Please don't introduce a strawman.

You were literally a punk rocker! :lol:

I'm sure you were a staunch conservative though at the time.

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America

Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Probably Rick. But you have to at least acknowledge those who wonder how and if the PC type limits we see now will expand greatly.

That's just people getting older. I'm sure my grandparents felt the same about my generation at age 20.

Please don't introduce a strawman.

You were literally a punk rocker! :lol:

I'm sure you were a staunch conservative though at the time.

what kind of suburban bubble must you have existed in to think punk rock is all left wing?

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:57 pm

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SuperMario wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Yeah. Colleges were never like this especially during the Vietnam War.

"Baby in a well" syndrome. It happens a couple times and people act like it's an epidemic.

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Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Yeah. Colleges were never like this especially during the Vietnam War.

"Baby in a well" syndrome. It happens a couple times and people act like it's an epidemic.

Tell that to the people who want to ban ARs

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Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:01 pm

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America wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Probably Rick. But you have to at least acknowledge those who wonder how and if the PC type limits we see now will expand greatly.

That's just people getting older. I'm sure my grandparents felt the same about my generation at age 20.

Please don't introduce a strawman.

You were literally a punk rocker! :lol:

I'm sure you were a staunch conservative though at the time.

what kind of suburban bubble must you have existed in to think punk rock is all left wing?

I'm sure the black guy that played with JORR in Hazardous Youth was a staunch neo-nazi.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:01 pm

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SuperMario wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Yeah. Colleges were never like this especially during the Vietnam War.

"Baby in a well" syndrome. It happens a couple times and people act like it's an epidemic.

Tell that to the people who want to ban ARs

Darkside made it clear this isn't a 2A thread.

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KDdidit

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:02 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Yeah. Colleges were never like this especially during the Vietnam War.

"Baby in a well" syndrome. It happens a couple times and people act like it's an epidemic.

Is this a threat against BMac?!?!

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America

Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:05 pm

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Douchebag wrote:

America wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Probably Rick. But you have to at least acknowledge those who wonder how and if the PC type limits we see now will expand greatly.

That's just people getting older. I'm sure my grandparents felt the same about my generation at age 20.

Please don't introduce a strawman.

You were literally a punk rocker! :lol:

I'm sure you were a staunch conservative though at the time.

what kind of suburban bubble must you have existed in to think punk rock is all left wing?

I'm sure the black guy that played with JORR in Hazardous Youth was a staunch neo-nazi.

what kind of suburban bubble must you have existed in to think all black people are left wing?

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:10 pm

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KDdidit wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Yeah. Colleges were never like this especially during the Vietnam War.

"Baby in a well" syndrome. It happens a couple times and people act like it's an epidemic.

Is this a threat against BMac?!?!

I'd throw him down a well in person.

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Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:11 pm

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Yes.

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Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:21 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Probably Rick. But you have to at least acknowledge those who wonder how and if the PC type limits we see now will expand greatly.

That's just people getting older. I'm sure my grandparents felt the same about my generation at age 20.

Please don't introduce a strawman.

You were literally a punk rocker! :lol:

I'm sure you were a staunch conservative though at the time.

That's not the point. You seem to be equating methods with causes.

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Nas

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:37 pm

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My experience has shown me that MANY that complain about politically correct language are some of the most sensitive people you'll ever meet. Look no further than MANY who post here. It's pretty much "I should be able to offend everyone but no one should offend me."

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Would you fight to the death for your 1st amendment righ

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:38 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I'm sure you were a staunch conservative though at the time.

That's not the point. You seem to be equating methods with causes.[/quote]The "causes" and "methods" at colleges have always scared the older generations.

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Nas wrote:

Name names, Sorkin.

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Nas wrote:

That irony was lost on me at one point in my life....

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Terry's Peeps wrote:

Nas wrote:

Name names, Sorkin.

No Great Shakes

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ToxicMasculinity wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

Which is why when the revolution starts I will be with the gun toting rednecks because I don’t want to die.

Everyone will wish they had an AR-15 at that point. We are always just 9 meals away from anarchy anyways.

250 here. MRE are cheap dude!

MREs have gotten better since my first one but I refuse to eat that shit outside of Afghanistan or Iraq.

If push came to shove I would eat it ahead of dog food.

The Tuna and Chili Mac were solid.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Probably Rick. But you have to at least acknowledge those who wonder how and if the PC type limits we see now will expand greatly.

That's just people getting older. I'm sure my grandparents felt the same about my generation at age 20.

Please don't introduce a strawman.

That’s not a straw man.

All the “This generation is fucked, we are done for, blah blah blah” shit is just that. Bullshit. And it’s been said for nearly the entirely of our country and most of human civilization.

It’s just a weak, lazy way to criticize younger generations. There’s zero truth or profundity behind the observation.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Yeah. Colleges were never like this especially during the Vietnam War.

"Baby in a well" syndrome. It happens a couple times and people act like it's an epidemic.

Yup. Just like school shootings.

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It is different this time and the sooner you realize that the better, for your own sake.

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America wrote:

It is different this time and the sooner you realize that the better, for your own sake.

It’s not and you’re wrong. Study history. Then come back to the discussion.

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I will feel bad for you when they kill you for dissenting. Seriously.

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America wrote:

I will feel bad for you when they kill you for dissenting. Seriously.

I appreciate it. I’ll go down with my boots on.

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FavreFan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Probably Rick. But you have to at least acknowledge those who wonder how and if the PC type limits we see now will expand greatly.

That's just people getting older. I'm sure my grandparents felt the same about my generation at age 20.

Please don't introduce a strawman.

No, what's lazy is to act like the current criticism is just like all others. The current problem involves administrators and educators as much as it does students. It is also welcomed by Hollywood and a lot of the media. It's hard to argue against people trying to suppress free speech because they eventually silence everyone else first.

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