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No, go ahead and study it out. But if the reason for doing it is to simply disprove a genetic predisposition to something, well that's just a terrible idea.

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We can talk about it. Either black people have a genetic predisposition to be violent or there are socioeconomic factors at play you’d rather not discusss. You’re not being insightful man. Educated people have been talking about this issue for decades. They heavily lean one way.


Many questions like this can't be definitively answered because the research would be too offensive to someone in our perpetually aggrieved society.

The idea of a black crime gene is absurd but we cant dispel it because anyone who tries to study it is made a pariah. So we can't definitively answer and that breeds continued division.

The SJW and their ilk make many questions unable to be answered.

Questions like:
Are single mother homes worse for children versus a two parent household?
Do children of gay and lesbian couples have more issues relative to children of straights?
Do transgenders have a 47% suicide rate because of mental illness untreated or bigotry?

Why do lesbians report higher rates of domestic and sexual abuse in relationships?

None of these questions can be studied because some group in society will cry bloody murder over hurt feelings and "bigotry". [Even though if the research could dispel these views they won't allow it because if it doesn't then the group has to solely argue on emotion and not science. If it turns out children of gays are worse off we have a duty to stop gay adoption no matter how "bigoted" that view is.

So yes the literature indicates socioeconomic forces drive crime because only research in favor of that view is conducted or published.

We rely on "sociology" even though it has been shown to be a discipline plagued by emotion over reason as evidenced by the 67 gender nonsense and Jordan Petersons writings.

So what happens? Well if a person brings up hard numbers like the demographics of violent crime they are told they "lie" or don't paint the whole picture. So I can see how a person can just conclude these groups are overly sensitive.

The lefts embrace of multicularlism, "diversity" and sociological concepts like "white privilege" only further alienate the outsiders. People weren't born alt right, society pushes them right. Its sad because at the end of the day right and left just want people to be happy, but the left thinks to make POC happy you have to make whites/koreans/Pakistanis unhappy.

Yes I included Koreans and Pakistanis because of what you see in stuff like the LA riots and Philly forcing shop owners to remove bullet proof glass because it hurts peoples feelings.

Some on the left don't see these minorities as American success stories but "problematic". Its sad.


You're dancing around a genetic predisposition with all this stuff.


Duh reading compression is teh hard.

Genetic predisposition is ridiculous and it needs to be disproved.

Same as how we had to have a commission to dispel 9/11 nutjobs and for the Kennedy assassination.

Ignorance should be dispelled by the most science as possible.


The people prone to believing in genetic predispositions for bad behavior are not going to be swayed by "the most science possible".


So your solution is to not study something simply because there are some people who won't be convinced? Don't you think that's dangerous thinking?

Yeah, that could very well be dangerous thinking. It's also a huge generalization.


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ToxicMasculinity wrote:
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We can talk about it. Either black people have a genetic predisposition to be violent or there are socioeconomic factors at play you’d rather not discusss. You’re not being insightful man. Educated people have been talking about this issue for decades. They heavily lean one way.


Many questions like this can't be definitively answered because the research would be too offensive to someone in our perpetually aggrieved society.

The idea of a black crime gene is absurd but we cant dispel it because anyone who tries to study it is made a pariah. So we can't definitively answer and that breeds continued division.

The SJW and their ilk make many questions unable to be answered.

Questions like:
Are single mother homes worse for children versus a two parent household?
Do children of gay and lesbian couples have more issues relative to children of straights?
Do transgenders have a 47% suicide rate because of mental illness untreated or bigotry?

Why do lesbians report higher rates of domestic and sexual abuse in relationships?

None of these questions can be studied because some group in society will cry bloody murder over hurt feelings and "bigotry". Even though if the research could dispel these views they won't allow it because if it doesn't then the group has to solely argue on emotion and not science. If it turns out children of gays are worse off we have a duty to stop gay adoption no matter how "bigoted" that view is.

So yes the literature indicates socioeconomic forces drive crime because only research in favor of that view is conducted or published.

We rely on "sociology" even though it has been shown to be a discipline plagued by emotion over reason as evidenced by the 67 gender nonsense and Jordan Petersons writings.

So what happens? Well if a person brings up hard numbers like the demographics of violent crime they are told they "lie" or don't paint the whole picture. So I can see how a person can just conclude these groups are overly sensitive.

The lefts embrace of multicularlism, "diversity" and sociological concepts like "white privilege" only further alienate the outsiders. People weren't born alt right, society pushes them right. Its sad because at the end of the day right and left just want people to be happy, but the left thinks to make POC happy you have to make whites/koreans/Pakistanis unhappy.

Yes I included Koreans and Pakistanis because of what you see in stuff like the LA riots and Philly forcing shop owners to remove bullet proof glass because it hurts peoples feelings.

Some on the left don't see these minorities as American success stories but "problematic". Its sad.


Fukin libtard's and their obsesion with sociology statistics and empirical data. Its' all a plan to make us think harder about things then we really want to.

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 Post subject: Re: CFMB PSA
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I'm not reading all of this shit but is someone trying to advance the idea of a theoretical genetic predisposition to crime present only in balcks?

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I'm not reading all of this shit but is someone trying to advance the idea of a theoretical genetic predisposition to crime present only in balcks?


Yep. Its stupid and easily refutable. The crime rate for the black middle class is eerily similar to that of the white middle class.

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I'm not reading all of this shit but is someone trying to advance the idea of a theoretical genetic predisposition to crime present only in balcks?


Its' obvious to anyone who has'nt been indoctrinated with so called knowledge from Soros funded disciplnes like science and statistics.

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I see that's not what was being asserted. But I'm not sure that there have been zero studies about, for example, one-parent homes vs other scenarios.

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I see that's not what was being asserted. But I'm not sure that there have been zero studies about, for example, one-parent homes vs other scenarios.


To be clear I do not and have never believed in a black crime gene.

I agree with what LTG just said.

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I see that's not what was being asserted. But I'm not sure that there have been zero studies about, for example, one-parent homes vs other scenarios.


To be clear I do not and have never believed in a black crime gene.

I agree with what LTG just said.

I saw that and taking a moment to read it not on a small phone it was clear that wasn't the case.

And never publicly say you agree with LTG ... it's considered distasteful around these parts.

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I'm not reading all of this shit but is someone trying to advance the idea of a theoretical genetic predisposition to crime present only in balcks?


Yep.


No, it isn't. That is not being proffered. Period.


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I'm not reading all of this shit but is someone trying to advance the idea of a theoretical genetic predisposition to crime present only in balcks?


Yep.


No, it isn't. That is not being proffered. Period.



It isn't something that needs to be studied. Period.

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I'm not reading all of this shit but is someone trying to advance the idea of a theoretical genetic predisposition to crime present only in balcks?


Yep.


No, it isn't. That is not being proffered. Period.



It isn't something that needs to be studied. Period.


Of course. The only argument I can gather is that it should be studied and proven so extensively that there is no grounds whatsoever to doubt it's nonexistence.

You responded to a post asking if someone is trying to "advance" its existence with "yep". And that is fundamentally incorrect.


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Things get really weird when you compare middle-class black and middle-class white kids (let's forget about anyone else right now) from the same schools and the white kids still score (or scored, from two decades ago) higher and got better grades. Of course, a number of factors--none of them having to do with race and genetics--go into this, and people still disagree about what the factors are, but this is sensitive stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: CFMB PSA
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I'm not reading all of this shit but is someone trying to advance the idea of a theoretical genetic predisposition to crime present only in balcks?


Yep.


No, it isn't. That is not being proffered. Period.



It isn't something that needs to be studied. Period.


Of course. The only argument I can gather is that it should be studied and proven so extensively that there is no grounds whatsoever to doubt it's nonexistence.

You responded to a post asking if someone is trying to "advance" its existence with "yep". And that is fundamentally incorrect.


I misread it but the mere notion that it is something that needs to be studied in order for it to be disproved is assanine.

For instance what if i were to suggest that the notion of all white people being racist is absurd but we need to conduct a study in order to disprove it how would you feel?

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Things get really weird when you compare middle-class black and middle-class white kids (let's forget about anyone else right now) from the same schools and the white kids still score (or scored, from two decades ago) higher and got better grades. Of course, a number of factors--none of them having to do with race and genetics--go into this, and people still disagree about what the factors are, but this is sensitive stuff.



I'm speaking strictly about crime rates.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Don Tiny wrote:
I'm not reading all of this shit but is someone trying to advance the idea of a theoretical genetic predisposition to crime present only in balcks?


Yep.


No, it isn't. That is not being proffered. Period.



It isn't something that needs to be studied. Period.


Of course. The only argument I can gather is that it should be studied and proven so extensively that there is no grounds whatsoever to doubt it's nonexistence.

You responded to a post asking if someone is trying to "advance" its existence with "yep". And that is fundamentally incorrect.


I misread it but the mere notion that it is something that needs to be studied in order for it to be disproved is assanine.

For instance what if i were to suggest that the notion of all white people being racist is absurd but we need to conduct a study in order to disprove it how would you feel?


I'd tell you to go ahead and study it?


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Things get really weird when you compare middle-class black and middle-class white kids (let's forget about anyone else right now) from the same schools and the white kids still score (or scored, from two decades ago) higher and got better grades. Of course, a number of factors--none of them having to do with race and genetics--go into this, and people still disagree about what the factors are, but this is sensitive stuff.



I'm speaking strictly about crime rates.

No, I get it. Just saying that the learning/achieving in school thing is weirder.


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Things get really weird when you compare middle-class black and middle-class white kids (let's forget about anyone else right now) from the same schools and the white kids still score (or scored, from two decades ago) higher and got better grades. Of course, a number of factors--none of them having to do with race and genetics--go into this, and people still disagree about what the factors are, but this is sensitive stuff.



I'm speaking strictly about crime rates.


I've read the best we have so far is that it's not just about being poor, it's about being disproportionately poor for the area in which you live. Income disparity is the driving factor, somehow, not just income. MANY poor white and black people live in places where the median income is like 14k, but the crime rates aren't what they are in a big city.

Why that is now becomes the question.


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No you (JLN) wouldn't. You're the guy that believed everything race related was somehow an accusation that you were a racist. Now you profess to be open minded regarding the study of it. Who you crapping?

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Things get really weird when you compare middle-class black and middle-class white kids (let's forget about anyone else right now) from the same schools and the white kids still score (or scored, from two decades ago) higher and got better grades. Of course, a number of factors--none of them having to do with race and genetics--go into this, and people still disagree about what the factors are, but this is sensitive stuff.



I'm speaking strictly about crime rates.


I've read the best we have so far is that it's not just about being poor, it's about being disproportionately poor for the area in which you live. Income disparity is the driving factor, somehow, not just income. MANY poor white and black people live in places where the median income is like 14k, but the crime rates aren't what they are in a big city.

Why that is now becomes the question.


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tommy wrote:
Things get really weird when you compare middle-class black and middle-class white kids (let's forget about anyone else right now) from the same schools and the white kids still score (or scored, from two decades ago) higher and got better grades. Of course, a number of factors--none of them having to do with race and genetics--go into this, and people still disagree about what the factors are, but this is sensitive stuff.



I'm speaking strictly about crime rates.


I've read the best we have so far is that it's not just about being poor, it's about being disproportionately poor for the area in which you live. Income disparity is the driving factor, somehow, not just income. MANY poor white and black people live in places where the median income is like 14k, but the crime rates aren't what they are in a big city.

Why that is now becomes the question.


The fact still remains that crime rates for middle class blacks and middle class whites are essentially the same. If there is a genetic predisposition then this wouldn't be the case.

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No you (JLN) wouldn't. You're the guy that believed everything race related was somehow an accusation that you were a racist. Now you profess to be open minded regarding the study of it. Who you crapping?


1. "Everything race related"? Your favorite pastime on thus board is ham-handedly calling other members racist and then claiming you didn't.

2. You labeling others racist is not studying the racism of white people on the whole. The two are completely unrelated.

Your Crap sucks.


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No you (JLN) wouldn't. You're the guy that believed everything race related was somehow an accusation that you were a racist. Now you profess to be open minded regarding the study of it. Who you crapping?


1. "Everything race related"? Your favorite pastime on thus board is ham-handedly calling other members racist and then claiming you didn't.

2. You labeling others racist is not studying the racism of white people on the whole. The two are completely unrelated.

Your Crap sucks.


You're lying as usual. Other than Elmhurst Steve and Chas who have i ever referred to as racist?

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tommy wrote:
Things get really weird when you compare middle-class black and middle-class white kids (let's forget about anyone else right now) from the same schools and the white kids still score (or scored, from two decades ago) higher and got better grades. Of course, a number of factors--none of them having to do with race and genetics--go into this, and people still disagree about what the factors are, but this is sensitive stuff.



I'm speaking strictly about crime rates.


I've read the best we have so far is that it's not just about being poor, it's about being disproportionately poor for the area in which you live. Income disparity is the driving factor, somehow, not just income. MANY poor white and black people live in places where the median income is like 14k, but the crime rates aren't what they are in a big city.

Why that is now becomes the question.


The fact still remains that crime rates for middle class blacks and middle class whites are essentially the same. If there is a genetic predisposition then this wouldn't be the case.


You are such a disagreeable person that people can't even agree with you without a fight, can they?


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You by far argue with more people than anyone on this board. It isn't even close.

For some reason you are delusional about it. It seems that others have simply taken to ignoring you since you are a guy constantly in search of a disagreement all the time.

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You by far argue with more people than anyone on this board. It isn't even close.


I don't usually fight with people agreeing with me, at least I don't think.


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For some reason you are delusional about it. It seems that others have simply taken to ignoring you since you are a guy constantly in search of a disagreement all the time.


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You by far argue with more people than anyone on this board. It isn't even close.


I don't usually fight with people agreeing with me, at least I don't think.



You spoke of income disparity which had nothing to do with my point. You stated it had nothing to do with incomes . That seemed to be disagreement. It not only seemed to be it was disagreement.

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You by far argue with more people than anyone on this board. It isn't even close.


I don't usually fight with people agreeing with me, at least I don't think.



You spoke of income disparity which had nothing to do with my point. You stated it had nothing to do with incomes . That seemed to be disagreement. It not only seemed to be it was disagreement.


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