Because they don't work.

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They make dopes feel better. They make it easier for a nut job to pick a good target?

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Which shooting locations were chosen because they were gun free?

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yeah see, this is one of the things that always bugged me about those stickers you see on the doors everywhere... who are they for? i first saw them on a temporary/ish FEMA office right by the des plaines metra station, and it had me laughing like "who are these stickers for? if someone was gonna run up in here brandishing a gun demanding 'justice' then surely they're not gonna be deterred by some sticker on the door saying no guns, right? and if it's for the rest of us who ain't packing heat during our day-to-day affairs, then shit is it to make regular people feel good like they're protected by the stickers of society?"

of course, talking to some security guard/type people they tell me that's for the concealed carry crowd, but still you know, i can't help but think up some twisted sketch comedy show i'll surely never be able to do anything with where you have a cpl dudes ready to barge in a place all guns blazing finna get theirs and then as they roll up with their ski masks on and stuff it's like FUCK.... DUDE.... WE CAN'T BRING OUR GUNS IN... THERE'S A STICKER ON THE DOOR THAT SAYS NO GUNS!!! -- "what? what in the actual fuck? shit.... can we do this without weapons?" and then maybe you can work in some kind of a homage to the butterfinger scene that netted charlie sheen kristy swanson in the chase.... but still, you know, it's just hilarious to see these authoritative stickers prominently placed on the doors like something something benjamin franklin quotes about liberty and security.



but evidently they deserve very demonstrative stickers on the doors.

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yep, it's a lot easier to open fire on a bunch of people when you know none of them have a means to fight back.

Most mass shooters are cowards and that is why they put a bullet in their own brain the minute they are engaged by the police. They are not prepared for a firefight where someone else will shoot back at them.

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They probably know that their guns are "pretty useless".

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Again I ask the question - Which shooting locations were chosen because they were gun free?

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Kind of like colleges are safe speech zones.

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if they are not well trained (most mass shooters aren't) and going against someone who is properly trained, then yes they are going to be at a disadvantage the minute they face any amount of resistance.

You would be shocked with how easily a trained pistol user can take down untrained rifle users provided they are not at distances exceeding 75 yards.

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Exactly. AR15s are pointless as they are useless to defend and only are good for killing civilians.

So why are they needed again?

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If you end up in a situation the 2nd Amendment was written for, you're going to need longer reach than a pistol provides. You'll want a trusty AR-15 or other sort of long gun then. Mass shooters don't snipe people, they go into confined areas to perform their killings. That is why Virginia Tech was so deadly even though no rifles were present.

Whether it was Pulse, Stoneman Douglas, or Sandy Hook, a pistol would've been just as effective for the shooter and wouldn't have changed the death counts as the victims were all defenseless and unarmed in a confined space.

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(Before this gets derailed by BRick) Again, again - Ogie & Mike: which shooting locations were chosen because they were gun free?

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“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
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Fort Hood is a prime example as military personnel cannot carry on base. School shootings are all gun free zones, Pulse Nightclub, etc. The people carrying these attacks hit soft places where they will face little resistance as they won't get a high body count if they are quickly engaged. Even if they are not hit when first engaged, they will be forced to take cover themselves and will be put on the defensive. Most mass shooters don't do well in that situation which is why you see them quickly decide to end it themselves once in a defensive situation.

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I give you more credit than that. Those locations were chosen for specific reasons...none of which were related to a concern of return fire. You know that, right?

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I'll ask you... which were not?
Do you know how many mass shootings were on gun free zones over the last 50+ years?

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They weren't chosen because they were gun free zones is I think zippy's point.

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I am not arguing your OP. I’m sure a large number of shootings were in gun free zones. My point is those locations were chosen for reasons not related to the fact that they were gun free.

Edit: what Speeps said.

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That is part of it, but if there was a higher probability of someone being armed and able to intervene quickly, don't you think another target may have been considered? It's no coincidence that these people scope out and select places that are what we would call "soft targets". If the places they scoped out were populated by some people who may be equipped to return fire, then the plans very well may change.

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So an AR15 can take out trained military personnel but a trained pistol owner can easily take out an AR15?

Very confusing

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I didn’t say there were. Logically I think it is easier to decide to attack the target where no guns are allowed. I would go there before say the police station for my massacre.

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Actually I don’t think that. These shooters are irrational are frequently targeting a location for a reason. Fired from a job, bullied at school, etc. I seriously doubt the idea of a soft target enters into their thought process.

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“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance

Do you think these shooters are “logical” or emotional?

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A trained AR-15 user certainly can. I don't think you realize how many of us are ex-military and do spend a lot of weekends on the range. Now granted an untrained AR-15 user will be nothing but an easy target for infantry, but one who has undergone some training and is very familiar with their rifle would put up a solid fight and could even have the upper-hand if proper concealment is used for an ambush. Once again, the rifle gives you an effective range of 500 yards and anyone who has undergone military training should be able to use it to that range.

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They do have a reason for the target, but I am saying they probably reconsider if they expect to encounter resistance. What they are doing has no point to them if they cannot go in unopposed and kill as many of their targets as possible. I'd say it is a mixture of the two that leads to them selecting their eventual location

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So how is it "pretty useless" and no more effective than a pistol?

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Again I disagree. They are not normal. They aren’t concerned with consequences. They choose a specific location because their psychosis leads them there.

And I hesitate to note that there was an armed security guy at the school in FL.

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“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
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Do you believe that psychosis lead an armed assassin to choose a gun free zone by chance?
Bear in mind that over 95% of mass shootings happened at gun free zones.
That's just chance?

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it's about range. For a mass shooter within the confines of a structure, it is as effective as a pistol and the better trained pistol shooter will have the upper hand over the novice AR-15 shooter. The rifle's advantages come from that range, which cannot be exploited in the types of environments that mass shooters typically target. Range means nothing in the confines of a night club or school.

In mass shooting events (other than Vegas) a pistol would have proven just as effective for the shooter. Vegas and Charles Whitman at UT are the only 2 mass shooting events I can think of where the rifle made sense as the weapon of choice. Even at University of Texas, Whitman was using a single shot bolt action rifle and he killed and wounded more people than Cruz did with his AR-15 at Stoneman Douglas.

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No way this is true considering the actual shooters.

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I generally think you’re a pretty bright guy but you seem to have trouble understanding my point. I’m guessing a large portion of the U.S. is gun free. I don’t believe living through the killing affects a mass shooters thought process in any way.

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“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance