Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
it's about range. For a mass shooter within the confines of a structure, it is as effective as a pistol and the better trained pistol shooter will have the upper hand over the novice AR-15 shooter. The rifle's advantages come from that range, which cannot be exploited in the types of environments that mass shooters typically target. Range means nothing in the confines of a night club or school.
In mass shooting events (other than Vegas) a pistol would have proven just as effective for the shooter. Vegas and Charles Whitman at UT are the only 2 mass shooting events I can think of where the rifle made sense as the weapon of choice. Even at University of Texas, Whitman was using a single shot bolt action rifle and he killed and wounded more people than Cruz did with his AR-15 at Stoneman Douglas.
It just doesn't add up then. There is a reason why almost all of these shooters are using heavier arms than pistols. Most of these shootings are planned out for months and almost none of them are stopped by a trained pistol shooter. Why not for the next school shooting don't we get the closest cop to walk in to the school and end it quickly? Why have almost none of these ended with the armed security/cops just putting down the guy firing off an AR15?
I mean it's obvious that you know more about guns than me but it seems like you have this dream fantasies where a Liam Neeson type can just end school shootings with a pistol and a cell phone with his daughter on the other line. All the while the best trained military that exists would be unable to effectively repel these exact same guns.
So, when the next school shooting happens, should we just send in the closest cop with his pistol and then just wait for it to be over?
We don't have a lot of data points for what happens when mass shooters try to attack a place where there are a good number of CCWs, but Garland Texas is one of the few cases where it did happen. 2 ISIS wannabes armed with rifles managed to wound a single person before both were put down via pistol rounds. When a mass shooter goes into a school, he is going to a place where he is going to have little to no resistance. The mass shootings do typically end once the police show up as the shooter has to take up a defensive position at which point he is either killed or kills himself. These mass shooters are prepared to shoot a bunch of unarmed and defenseless people. They are not prepared to enter a firefight vs. a trained weapon holder.
As for the AR-15, it seems that many school shooters do it for the attention and that particular weapon seems to draw a lot of media attention because it looks scary. It has the same functionality as a Ruger Mini-14, but mass shooters don't seem to choose that weapon as it looks like your everyday hunting rifle.
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