Well I'm not trying to be hurtful. I'm saying that your prediction isn't really much of a stroke of genius. Although we all knew that after the recent murders in Florida there'd be grandstanding politicians and videos of people trying to fool gun shops we didn't feel the need to make an easy prediction and try to sound like it was an ah ha moment.

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Well it's not a dumb point. But OK.

I will NOT allow you to piss on my parade and tell me it's raining. That's piss!

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GO BEARS!!!

Ok. I'll go ahead and make my silly predictions after the next incident and go all ah ha! On you when CNN runs a hidden camera sting showing a 18 year old buying a gun.

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Thank God for this armed American Hero willing to risk everyone's life to stop the theft of some lightbulbs
http://deadstate.org/woman-with-conceal ... oplifters/

What a fucking moron.
She should be charged with a couple felonies for that shit.
I'm not 100% up to speed with the laws in Michigan but here in the wonderful land of Illinois you aren't justified in use of deadly force in a property crime.

The use of lethal force that can end in homicide is justified in the situation of immediate, otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent. — Massad Ayoob

This is the statement to end all statements when it comes to use of justified lethal force.
In other words that woman was reckless and has no business at this point being credentialed for carry. She should go to jail for this little stunt.

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Works for me.

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Whether concealed or open, what are your minimum requirements for it. I recall IL having about 10 hours of class and range time to qualify for it. Is that enough in your mind. Ogie often makes the point someone properly trained on a HG can take down an AR. But our laws don't satisfy that when they grant the license. I imagine military are trained 100's if not thousands of hours on proper gun procedures. Yet I can carry in 10 hours. Your thoughts on this.

My buddies all ran out and got their CC when it became legal. I wanted no part in it as I have no where near the training for it. These are the same guys that can't remember to put the safety on at the gun range.

A fucking idiot can get a CC. You just have to be able to pass a piss test.

Even more impressive with a "pretty useless" gun.

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Actually an idiot is one of the few that can not.

id·i·ot
[ˈidēət]
a mentally handicapped person.

Eligibility Rules for a Firearm Owner's Identification Card
I have not been convicted of any Felony under the laws of this or any other jurisdiction.
I have not been adjudicated as a mental defective.
I have not been a patient in a mental institution or any part of a medical facility for the treatment of mental illness within the past 5 years.
I am not intellectually disabled or developmentally disabled.

FOID is different vs CC

Valid FOID is the foundation of your CC.

16 hours training including firearm competency requirements (proving your ability to handle a firearm on a range, specifically hitting your target at greater than 70% at distances of 5, 7 and 10 yards, which in my opinion, could be done by a blind man but I digress).
Personally the 16 classroom hours are fine but I'd prefer to see higher standards in the range. Call it over 100 rounds with 90% accuracy for starters.
Could a pistol shooter take down an ar user? Yeah. David killed goliath with a rock but honestly the ar has vast advantages over a pistol. Just the distance between the front right and the rear sights make a huge difference. Honestly in a confrontation with a rifle user a pistol may only be useful in suppressing fire and getting to a rifle.
If your friends aren't properly handling their weapons and specifically honoring the 4 commandments then point it out to them. If they're too cool to follow proper safe protocol then they have no business using weapons. I'd be sick to death if an RSO or friend pointed out a situation in which I didn't follow the 4 commandments. I mean I suppose humans are human and accidents happen but it should be so ingrained in you (especially if you have a ccl) that it's just how you operate.
Let me know if you have further questions or require me to clarify.

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I'm not following this. I've seen this posted in about 10 threads but I don't get the reference.

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Ogie says an AR15 is "pretty useless" besides cover fire.

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That doesnt make much sense. Is your explanation taken out of context in any way? Seems an odd thing to say.

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Its not a too cool as much of obliviousness typically. I think the biggest disconnect between the two gun sides is if you were raised with guns. I wasn't raised with them and my most of my friends got into guns with a former army guy. Everything gun related was second nature to him both growing up with and military training. Being an occasional shooter, everything is still a thought process, not really automatic.

I agree with your range requirements. Although living in GA, none of that applies. Its a fingerprint and a form and you have it.

On going fight between the 2. Ogie's stance is in a hallway there is no difference in the 2 under 75 yards. I don't think there is much support for that stance.

It boils down to him and his HG training in a school verse any of these HS shooters with a loaded AR.

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Re-read what I said. I said automatic fire is useless except for the purposes of covering fire. An AR-15 is not an automatic weapon.

The US Army agrees with me as even the M16 isn't a true automatic weapon. Its select fire modes are semi and burst (where 3 rounds are fired with a trigger pull). If they need automatic fire, they use a dedicated weapon (M249) which is put on a bipod to fight the issues of recoil and muzzle climb that I cite.

The early M16 models did try full auto, but the results of its use in Vietnam were pretty poor so they opted for burst fire to replace full auto

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I can also provide the pistol vs AR15 posts.

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and I would still say a trained pistol user will defeat the novice rifle user at close quarters

See Garland, TX, which was a single pistol user vs 2 rifle armed attackers

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How can you shoot women and children?

easy, you just don't lead em so much...

Also that door gunner in the film is using an M60, which was of course a bipod mounted machine gun and the predecessor to the M249

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Get some!!!! Get some!!!

Someone hasn't seen Full Metal Jacket

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI

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Anyone who runs, is a VC... Anyone who stands still, is a well disciplined VC

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If you see them fuck up the rules say something. You might save a life.

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