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I've bought two purebred dogs and have pretty good luck. But I bought relatively rare breeds and did plenty of research to find a well-respected breeder who is a member or regional and national breed associations. Call a well known breeder. If they don't have a litter coming up they should be able to refer you to some colleagues that might. You might wind up waiting a year or more from a puppy. There should be a pedigree with genetic info and health certs of ancestors. Going to cost $1500 minimum for a puppy.

Or take your chances with a mutt. Probably be more healthy but you never know what you're going to get. My mother got a dog from the shelter and the thing has been a health disaster.

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I've bought two purebred dogs and have pretty good luck. But I bought relatively rare breeds and did plenty of research to find a well-respected breeder who is a member or regional and national breed associations. Call a well known breeder. If they don't have a litter coming up they should be able to refer you to some colleagues that might. You might wind up waiting a year or more from a puppy. There should be a pedigree with genetic info and health certs of ancestors. Going to cost $1500 minimum for a puppy.

Or take your chances with a mutt. Probably be more healthy but you never know what you're going to get. My mother got a dog from the shelter and the thing has been a health disaster.


Yeah, but if you get a cheap mutt from the shelter and it turns out to be a disaster, HawaiiYou will poison it for you for the cost of a crackwhore.

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yet you suggest going to a breeder ?


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As others have said, don't leave a puppy (or any dog) outside alone for a long period of time. In the city, that's how dogs get stolen. Also if it is hot or cold out that could be bad for the dog depending on breed.


Nas, if you are going to get a lab you have to be ready for the commitment. Labs need lots of exercise and I'm not talking about just going for walks. They need to run, they need to go to parks and run around and play fetch, they should go to the beach and swim as well since that is something 99% of all labs love more than anything. This is especially true for young dogs.


Labs are smart and easy to train. Shouldn't take long at all to get them housebroken. My guy was only in a crate for a day or two after I got him and then he was fine having free range of the house. As a puppy they will teeth so be prepared to lose a few remotes and maybe a cell phone or two, but they grow out of it pretty quick.

If the rest of your family isn't willing or able to help out with the dog don't get one, they are a lot of work and something the whole family should want to help out with or else it's not worth it.

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The beta is strong in this thread. Some of you just like to whine.

Nas, it's not rocket science. Check the dog out when you go to get it and make sure it's not an idiot. Then train it from day 1 using the exact same routine over and over and over until you want to kill yourself out of boredom. Use the kids to help and learn.

After 6 months, he'll be fine in the house and will let you know when he needs to piss.

Also, hump him the minute you get him home to let him know who's in charge.

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After 6 months, he'll be fine in the house and will let you know when he needs to piss.

Until they get old...then they shit and piss in the house every day.
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As others have said, don't leave a puppy (or any dog) outside alone for a long period of time. In the city, that's how dogs get stolen. Also if it is hot or cold out that could be bad for the dog depending on breed.


Nas, if you are going to get a lab you have to be ready for the commitment. Labs need lots of exercise and I'm not talking about just going for walks. They need to run, they need to go to parks and run around and play fetch, they should go to the beach and swim as well since that is something 99% of all labs love more than anything. This is especially true for young dogs.


Labs are smart and easy to train. Shouldn't take long at all to get them housebroken. My guy was only in a crate for a day or two after I got him and then he was fine having free range of the house. As a puppy they will teeth so be prepared to lose a few remotes and maybe a cell phone or two, but they grow out of it pretty quick.

If the rest of your family isn't willing or able to help out with the dog don't get one, they are a lot of work and something the whole family should want to help out with or else it's not worth it.


I'm 95% certain that I'm going to get a lab. I'm looking forward to that kind of stuff.

I've heard nothing but good things about them so I'm hoping I have the same luck.

The majority of the house (females) want a lap/bag dog and I refuse to get one because I know I'll be doing most of the walking and exercising. Eventually they will come around but I know Lady Nas won't be happy about me not getting a toy dog. Getting as a gift for the baby's birthday could accelerate that. That's my hope.

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The beta is strong in this thread. Some of you just like to whine.

Nas, it's not rocket science. Check the dog out when you go to get it and make sure it's not an idiot. Then train it from day 1 using the exact same routine over and over and over until you want to kill yourself out of boredom. Use the kids to help and learn.

After 6 months, he'll be fine in the house and will let you know when he needs to piss.

Also, hump him the minute you get him home to let him know who's in charge.


Sounds good. I'm assuming you are not serious about the humping but I doubt there will be any confusion about who is in charge.

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Like shakes said, it is definitely a time commitment. Even in shitty weather, you are going to have to find time to exercise that dog for a while. If its July and 100 out and impossible to get him outside, be prepared to play tug of war with a rope toy for an hour. Crate the puppy when you are not around. That is their sanctuary. Our dog is 2 and 1/2, and we still have her crate up and she will go in there on her own to sleep some nights.

Now is a pretty good time to get a dog because by the time the winter weather returns he should be 100% housebroken.

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The beta is strong in this thread. Some of you just like to whine.

Nas, it's not rocket science. Check the dog out when you go to get it and make sure it's not an idiot. Then train it from day 1 using the exact same routine over and over and over until you want to kill yourself out of boredom. Use the kids to help and learn.

After 6 months, he'll be fine in the house and will let you know when he needs to piss.

Also, hump him the minute you get him home to let him know who's in charge.


Sounds good. I'm assuming you are not serious about the humping but I doubt there will be any confusion about who is in charge.


To Shake's point, though, the rest of the family needs to hold up their end of the bargain. Puppies need consistency, and it's gonna be incredibly aggravating for you to come home after one of your trips and see the dog has gone three steps backward.

Is this gift going to be a surprise? I personally wouldn't recommend that, but if so then rescues probably aren't an option. Most will want to do a home visit and meet everyone in the house before signing off.


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leashyourkids wrote:
The beta is strong in this thread. Some of you just like to whine.

Nas, it's not rocket science. Check the dog out when you go to get it and make sure it's not an idiot. Then train it from day 1 using the exact same routine over and over and over until you want to kill yourself out of boredom. Use the kids to help and learn.

After 6 months, he'll be fine in the house and will let you know when he needs to piss.

Also, hump him the minute you get him home to let him know who's in charge.


Sounds good. I'm assuming you are not serious about the humping but I doubt there will be any confusion about who is in charge.


To Shake's point, though, the rest of the family needs to hold up their end of the bargain. Puppies need consistency, and it's gonna be incredibly aggravating for you to come home after one of your trips and see the dog has gone three steps backward.

Is this gift going to be a surprise? I personally wouldn't recommend that, but if so then rescues are probably aren't an option. Most will want to do a home visit and meet everyone in the house before signing off.


I'm going to try to make it to the expo this weekend.

I'm not sure if you can surprise a 1 year old but it's definitely a birthday present. I'll bring it to Lady Nas a week before I pull the trigger.

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You all have given me a lot of great information and the last half of this page has even made me question if this is something that I want to do.

The things I do for money give me a lot of flexibility. I'm home for the majority of most days but a few times during the year I'm gone for about a week. There is no doubt in my mind that I will be providing 99.9% of the care for this dog for at least the first 6 months. When I am away can a puppy be left outside for a long period of time? If I go the adoption route at what point is it not possible to give the dog a name? Is pet insurance something that I should get from Day 1? How hard is it to house train a dog so they aren't crapping all over the place or chewing up things that you paid a lot of money for? I'm not willing to pay nearly $1k a month to own a dog like Kirkwood does to please his wife but what is the typical monthly/annual cost of ownership?


This depends on what type of a dog owner you want to be. A lot of the other people on this board are tremendous dog owners and providing a great and enriching life for their animals. It's just fun as a pet owner to read that there are other owners out there who find it worthwhile and fulfilling to indulge their animals. But your costs depend on what type of owner you want to be.

1. A shitty owner. Vet bills = $0, Food (shitty low grade crap) 20 bucks a month, treats - $0 a month, grooming = $0, extras = $0 a month. You'll end up with an under stimulated, under exercised, destructive, wild, disease ridden dog. Please do not get a dog if this will be you.

2. Competent/regular dog owner (assuming a lab - 70 pounds) here are the minimums you'll invest in to be considered a passable dog owner:

- 2 vet exams a year - $400
- Not embarrassing quality of dog food - $400
- Heartworm medication - $200
- Flea/Tick preventative - $200
- Vaccines - $150
- Professional grooming 2x - $150

So just to do the above, which honestly is the minimum required to not be a scumbag owner you're looking at about $1,500 a year for a 70lb dog. You'll be doing a lot of the exercise, training, interaction/enrichment yourself, but hey, dogs are fun and awesome, so it will be fun and awesome for you.

3. Super owner - A lot of the great things that you have read from other people on this site who are awesome owners. But other things to consider. Dogs are alive, they get sick. When your dog shits his brains out for 2 days and barfs all the time are you going to take it to the vet? Anyone with a heart would, so that's $200-$700 depending on what the issue is. When your dog gets old and has serious medical issues how far are you willing to take treatment. It's a tough question depending on the illness and the treatment options. Travel, boarding, accidental or intentional destruction of stuff in your house all are variable costs that can add up depending on your level of investment.

If you put the time and effort into a dog, you'll reap much more than you invest in time, energy, and finances. There is never a "good" time to get a dog, but you're educating yourself about the time and financial commitment. If you are OK with what it takes to own a dog, you'll be glad you decided to get one.

Two quickies:

1. When my wife and I first got married and had a lot less money than we do now, our dog was the best marriage therapist we could ask for and afford. We'd walk that dog together every night, and a lot of the time the first 30 minutes of the walk was silence, or one person would be 20 feet in front of or behind the other, but god damn if we weren't side by side by the time we got home, and maybe the problem wasn't worked out, but we were a lot closer.

2. Basically every night after I put the kids to bed, I take my two dogs on a walk and I pretty regularly have a beer or a mixed drink in hand. It's a tremendously relaxing experience and I can enjoy the companionship of these great animals, an adult beverage, and a peaceful walk at the end of the day. It's honestly great therapy and a lot of times the best 30-60 minutes of the day.


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You all have given me a lot of great information and the last half of this page has even made me question if this is something that I want to do.

The things I do for money give me a lot of flexibility. I'm home for the majority of most days but a few times during the year I'm gone for about a week. There is no doubt in my mind that I will be providing 99.9% of the care for this dog for at least the first 6 months. When I am away can a puppy be left outside for a long period of time? If I go the adoption route at what point is it not possible to give the dog a name? Is pet insurance something that I should get from Day 1? How hard is it to house train a dog so they aren't crapping all over the place or chewing up things that you paid a lot of money for? I'm not willing to pay nearly $1k a month to own a dog like Kirkwood does to please his wife but what is the typical monthly/annual cost of ownership?


This depends on what type of a dog owner you want to be. A lot of the other people on this board are tremendous dog owners and providing a great and enriching life for their animals. It's just fun as a pet owner to read that there are other owners out there who find it worthwhile and fulfilling to indulge their animals. But your costs depend on what type of owner you want to be.

1. A shitty owner. Vet bills = $0, Food (shitty low grade crap) 20 bucks a month, treats - $0 a month, grooming = $0, extras = $0 a month. You'll end up with an under stimulated, under exercised, destructive, wild, disease ridden dog. Please do not get a dog if this will be you.

2. Competent/regular dog owner (assuming a lab - 70 pounds) here are the minimums you'll invest in to be considered a passable dog owner:

- 2 vet exams a year - $400
- Not embarrassing quality of dog food - $400
- Heartworm medication - $200
- Flea/Tick preventative - $200
- Vaccines - $150
- Professional grooming 2x - $150

So just to do the above, which honestly is the minimum required to not be a scumbag owner you're looking at about $1,500 a year for a 70lb dog. You'll be doing a lot of the exercise, training, interaction/enrichment yourself, but hey, dogs are fun and awesome, so it will be fun and awesome for you.

3. Super owner - A lot of the great things that you have read from other people on this site who are awesome owners. But other things to consider. Dogs are alive, they get sick. When your dog shits his brains out for 2 days and barfs all the time are you going to take it to the vet? Anyone with a heart would, so that's $200-$700 depending on what the issue is. When your dog gets old and has serious medical issues how far are you willing to take treatment. It's a tough question depending on the illness and the treatment options. Travel, boarding, accidental or intentional destruction of stuff in your house all are variable costs that can add up depending on your level of investment.

If you put the time and effort into a dog, you'll reap much more than you invest in time, energy, and finances. There is never a "good" time to get a dog, but you're educating yourself about the time and financial commitment. If you are OK with what it takes to own a dog, you'll be glad you decided to get one.

Two quickies:

1. When my wife and I first got married and had a lot less money than we do now, our dog was the best marriage therapist we could ask for and afford. We'd walk that dog together every night, and a lot of the time the first 30 minutes of the walk was silence, or one person would be 20 feet in front of or behind the other, but god damn if we weren't side by side by the time we got home, and maybe the problem wasn't worked out, but we were a lot closer.

2. Basically every night after I put the kids to bed, I take my two dogs on a walk and I pretty regularly have a beer or a mixed drink in hand. It's a tremendously relaxing experience and I can enjoy the companionship of these great animals, an adult beverage, and a peaceful walk at the end of the day. It's honestly great therapy and a lot of times the best 30-60 minutes of the day.


Great stuff! I definitely wouldn't be a shitty owner.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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The beta is strong in this thread. Some of you just like to whine.

Nas, it's not rocket science. Check the dog out when you go to get it and make sure it's not an idiot. Then train it from day 1 using the exact same routine over and over and over until you want to kill yourself out of boredom. Use the kids to help and learn.

After 6 months, he'll be fine in the house and will let you know when he needs to piss.

Also, hump him the minute you get him home to let him know who's in charge.


Sounds good. I'm assuming you are not serious about the humping but I doubt there will be any confusion about who is in charge.


To Shake's point, though, the rest of the family needs to hold up their end of the bargain. Puppies need consistency, and it's gonna be incredibly aggravating for you to come home after one of your trips and see the dog has gone three steps backward.

Is this gift going to be a surprise? I personally wouldn't recommend that, but if so then rescues are probably aren't an option. Most will want to do a home visit and meet everyone in the house before signing off.


I'm going to try to make it to the expo this weekend.

I'm not sure if you can surprise a 1 year old but it's definitely a birthday present. I'll bring it to Lady Nas a week before I pull the trigger.


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I think Labs shed a lot of hair, so keep that in mind.


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I think Labs shed a lot of hair, so keep that in mind.


All dogs shed a lot of hair, keep that in mind.


Not poodles!

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The doctor took that tool away.


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I missed this. How does Kirkwood spend 1 grand a month on a dog?


Looks like he was spending at least $150 a week on dog walkers or sitters.

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All dogs shed a lot of hair, keep that in mind.


Not poodles!


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I think Labs shed a lot of hair, so keep that in mind.


All dogs shed a lot of hair, keep that in mind.


Not poodles!


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