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I know the ones in my community from like 4th grade thru high school are saying EXACTLY that. They dont want to die. They want the school shootings to stop. They say nothing about the 2A or NRA.

In fact, the older ones usually preface it by saying "we're not saying take everyone's guns" so they dont get attacked by pro gun people before they can even speak.


These same kids were eating tide pods 2 months ago.

The average student doesnt want to die. I get that, I think everyone would agree that we dont want kids to die. They arent mentioning the 2A or the NRA because they dont know what it is.

That tide pod comment gets made on many FoxNews posts.

What percentage of kids do you think ate Tide pods?

I don't want to get into a whole thing here but that's just a worthless comment. Kids and adults all over do dumb things, that doesnt mean the rest of us have to stop doing things.


What percentage of kids get killed in school shootings?

Youre a good guy but you are coming off like a real jag in this thread. It's either your POV or we can all go fuck ourselves. That doesnt lend itself well to constructive discussion.

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I'd say they are protesting against anyone who stands in the way of legislation or actions that would curb school shootings.


This is the entire crux of the issue. That whatever legislation is being pushed would actually achieve such a result. Do you think that anyone who disagrees that it would is in favor or murdering children?

Favor? No. Indifferent? Possibly


That's a wild assumption simply designed to impugn those who disagree with something someone else is demanding.

Nope.


Yes it is. And if you actually believe it, it is distasteful. You are using dead children as a shield to try and win a political debate.

I wouldn't say indifferent but do you believe that everyone prioritizes this problem on the same level?


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Nevertheless, the condescension is off the charts from the anti-gun crowd.

Your ideas are eerily similar to mine over the past six months.


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 Post subject: Re: School Walkouts
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There is nothing wrong with Civil Disobedience. If the kids choose to exercise their rights as citizens it can be a net win. We often criticize young Americans for not being civically active. When they try and become active they're torn down for it.



Forget about the high school kids. Do you really think second graders are practicing civil disobedience here?


If I asked them to define it they probably couldn't. Truthfully the average 2nd grader might view it as just another type of recess. However they would be able to grasp that the walkout was tied to the school shootings. They'd definitely know that. If later on they realize that what they were doing was tied to a larger issue then all the better. Actually this is a learning tool believe it or not. For people to suggest that children are losing valuable education time they aren't. This is sort of a practical way of learning about civil disobedience.


Are people discussing the Parkland shooting with their 2nd graders?? I sure as hell didnt.

My 6th grader knew about it by that night.

I wouldn't bring it up to a 2nd grader though unless they somehow knew about it.


Chances are with all the technology out here they'd know.

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Does that matter?

If you had a murderer killing people in your neighborhood would you be less worried because you're more likely to die in a car accident?


This argument is used by people that want to keep certain immigrants out of the country.


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That's fine. Civil disobedience means that you have to pay a penalty. They should mark 'em absent or something just so they know that they have to pay a price. I actually told students that this morning. Go ahead, I support you, but you are getting a zero on the quiz.

Being sanctioned takes away the CD a bit, but then again, these are kids and schools are responsible for their safety.


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 Post subject: Re: School Walkouts
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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I know the ones in my community from like 4th grade thru high school are saying EXACTLY that. They dont want to die. They want the school shootings to stop. They say nothing about the 2A or NRA.

In fact, the older ones usually preface it by saying "we're not saying take everyone's guns" so they dont get attacked by pro gun people before they can even speak.


These same kids were eating tide pods 2 months ago.

The average student doesnt want to die. I get that, I think everyone would agree that we dont want kids to die. They arent mentioning the 2A or the NRA because they dont know what it is.

That tide pod comment gets made on many FoxNews posts.

What percentage of kids do you think ate Tide pods?

I don't want to get into a whole thing here but that's just a worthless comment. Kids and adults all over do dumb things, that doesnt mean the rest of us have to stop doing things.


What percentage of kids get killed in school shootings?

Youre a good guy but you are coming off like a real jag in this thread. It's either your POV or we can all go fuck ourselves. That doesnt lend itself well to constructive discussion.

I'm sorry you feel that way about me being a jag.

The tide pod thing is dumb, imo. Sorry for being honest.

On the other hand, your statistical argument is sensible so I responded in a way I think is sensible to that.

Outside of the tide pod thing and talking to America in a way he can understand, how am I being a jag?

If its the leash thing, we kind of have a running insult each other joke.


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 Post subject: Re: School Walkouts
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Except the difference is schools likely wouldn't allow them to all walk out if it didn't fit the narrative. What if all these kids walked out of school saying all students and teachers should be armed. You think administrators would be all for it and punish teachers who tried to stop it?

Depends on where. Whatever Cuck Academy RPB sends his useless spawn to be indoctrinated at would probably expel the kid for being a potential school shooter. Rural Alabama will probably be more receptive. Again, more evidence this is a stunt by the left that, in a really genius way, uses kids hatred of going to school to get them to walk out in favor of a movement they don't give a shit about.

95% of those walking out will go straight home, eat Cheetos and olay Overwatch. Most unsure of what they were even walking out for in the first place.

Alright, dude, this is childish. You seem really cool, too


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 Post subject: Re: School Walkouts
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Does that matter?

If you had a murderer killing people in your neighborhood would you be less worried because you're more likely to die in a car accident?


This argument is used by people that want to keep certain immigrants out of the country.

Barking up the wrong tree if you're looking for me to defend illegal immigrants.


I wont even call them undocumented.


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I wouldn't say indifferent but do you believe that everyone prioritizes this problem on the same level?


Your question is so loaded, it’s hard to even give a yes or no answer.

However, the answer is no, of course not. Does everyone prioritize the risk of alien abduction similarly? Are those who don’t and are against anti-UFO legislation bad people?

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I'd say they are protesting against anyone who stands in the way of legislation or actions that would curb school shootings.


This is the entire crux of the issue. That whatever legislation is being pushed would actually achieve such a result. Do you think that anyone who disagrees that it would is in favor or murdering children?

Favor? No. Indifferent? Possibly


That's a wild assumption simply designed to impugn those who disagree with something someone else is demanding.

Nope.


Yes it is. And if you actually believe it, it is distasteful. You are using dead children as a shield to try and win a political debate.

If the truth is distasteful that's fine. A lot people don't really care. It's not and won't be their kid(s) as it's a low probability their children will be involved in any shooting let along a school shooting (as America pointed out).


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I'd say they are protesting against anyone who stands in the way of legislation or actions that would curb school shootings.


This is the entire crux of the issue. That whatever legislation is being pushed would actually achieve such a result. Do you think that anyone who disagrees that it would is in favor or murdering children?

No, I never said that.

Now it's predictably turning into a semantics debate.

The kids want to be safe in school. That's what it's about.

That they may not know what the solution is, doesnt matter. They are saying "this isnt ok, do something"


Statistically, the kids are safe in school though. They are more likely to die in the car on the way to/from school.

Does that matter?

If you had a murderer killing people in your neighborhood would you be less worried because you're more likely to die in a car accident?


That's not the same. These are isolated incidents. Its not like there is a kid with a AR-15 in front of the school threatening to shoot it up and I'm just shrugging and saying 'OH WELL!! We might die in an accident'

There was a recent threat about a school shooting at our high school and I kept my son home from school that day. I reacted to the info at hand, not my feelings about what might happen.

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There's nothing wrong with protesting to repeal/change/narrow another right. Abortion was deemed legal and a Constitutional right. People protest against abortion rights all the time.


How do you think a national school walkout against abortion would go over?

Fine in certain places, not so good in others.

Id completely support it though.


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For real? To what end? It's not like my son reads CNN or watches the news, he wasnt going to stumble across the incident. He plays with toys, video games and watches cartoons.



I thought it was important to explain to him that these school shootings are basically a necessary evil in our society and the price we have to pay so the AmmoSexuals and other Gun burritos can freely own whatever firearm they want without government regulation.


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If you had a murderer killing people in your neighborhood would you be less worried because you're more likely to die in a car accident?

In Chicago IL there is very certainly a murdered roaming you neighborhood freely and you deal with it every day. You understand that being targeted for a random act of violence like that is low and put it out of your mind.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
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I know the ones in my community from like 4th grade thru high school are saying EXACTLY that. They dont want to die. They want the school shootings to stop. They say nothing about the 2A or NRA.

In fact, the older ones usually preface it by saying "we're not saying take everyone's guns" so they dont get attacked by pro gun people before they can even speak.


These same kids were eating tide pods 2 months ago.

The average student doesnt want to die. I get that, I think everyone would agree that we dont want kids to die. They arent mentioning the 2A or the NRA because they dont know what it is.

That tide pod comment gets made on many FoxNews posts.

What percentage of kids do you think ate Tide pods?

I don't want to get into a whole thing here but that's just a worthless comment. Kids and adults all over do dumb things, that doesnt mean the rest of us have to stop doing things.


What percentage of kids get killed in school shootings?

Youre a good guy but you are coming off like a real jag in this thread. It's either your POV or we can all go fuck ourselves. That doesnt lend itself well to constructive discussion.

I'm sorry you feel that way about me being a jag.

The tide pod thing is dumb, imo. Sorry for being honest.

On the other hand, your statistical argument is sensible so I responded in a way I think is sensible to that.

Outside of the tide pod thing and talking to America in a way he can understand, how am I being a jag?

If its the leash thing, we kind of have a running insult each other joke.


I wasn’t aware. I just thought you were a piece of shit and didn’t mind telling you.

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Wow. I'm more liberal than leash too!

What a day.

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Barking up the wrong tree if you're looking for me to defend illegal immigrants.


I wont even call them undocumented.


No. I think that's the same logic that people use to keep Muslim immigrants out of the country.


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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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I know the ones in my community from like 4th grade thru high school are saying EXACTLY that. They dont want to die. They want the school shootings to stop. They say nothing about the 2A or NRA.

In fact, the older ones usually preface it by saying "we're not saying take everyone's guns" so they dont get attacked by pro gun people before they can even speak.


These same kids were eating tide pods 2 months ago.

The average student doesnt want to die. I get that, I think everyone would agree that we dont want kids to die. They arent mentioning the 2A or the NRA because they dont know what it is.

That tide pod comment gets made on many FoxNews posts.

What percentage of kids do you think ate Tide pods?

I don't want to get into a whole thing here but that's just a worthless comment. Kids and adults all over do dumb things, that doesnt mean the rest of us have to stop doing things.


What percentage of kids get killed in school shootings?

Youre a good guy but you are coming off like a real jag in this thread. It's either your POV or we can all go fuck ourselves. That doesnt lend itself well to constructive discussion.



When it is children being killed it places a greater emphasis upon it. It isn't an apples to apples comparison. If the ratio is 20 children for every 2000 adults there is good chance that the focus will be on the 20 children. There is a higher value placed upon the lives of children.

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Wow. I'm more liberal than leash too!

What a day.


I don’t know if Liberal is the right word, but I’d definitely say you’re a big fan of government regulation. You would agree, no?

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None of these "solutions" will stop shit. The only way to stop school shootings is ban all guns and confiscate the ones out there. And if that happens congratulations you have started a second civil war to save the lives of 20 or so children every 4 or 5 years wonderful job.


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For real? To what end? It's not like my son reads CNN or watches the news, he wasnt going to stumble across the incident. He plays with toys, video games and watches cartoons.

Internet. Or a friend tells him at school.

You might be a little naive about your son's sources of information.

Even without the internet in third grade, my friends and I were fairly well informed.

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Let's ask a basic question and see if we can boil this down.
Which proposed legislation can stem or eliminate school shootings?

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Except the difference is schools likely wouldn't allow them to all walk out if it didn't fit the narrative. What if all these kids walked out of school saying all students and teachers should be armed. You think administrators would be all for it and punish teachers who tried to stop it?

Depends on where. Whatever Cuck Academy RPB sends his useless spawn to be indoctrinated at would probably expel the kid for being a potential school shooter. Rural Alabama will probably be more receptive. Again, more evidence this is a stunt by the left that, in a really genius way, uses kids hatred of going to school to get them to walk out in favor of a movement they don't give a shit about.

95% of those walking out will go straight home, eat Cheetos and olay Overwatch. Most unsure of what they were even walking out for in the first place.

Alright, dude, this is childish. You seem really cool, too


tommy's been eating Tide pods

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Let's ask a basic question and see if we can boil this down.
Which proposed legislation can stem or eliminate school shootings?


so it doesn't get lost in the clutter here, maybe start a poll?


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I'm sorry you feel that way about me being a jag.

The tide pod thing is dumb, imo. Sorry for being honest.

On the other hand, your statistical argument is sensible so I responded in a way I think is sensible to that.

Outside of the tide pod thing and talking to America in a way he can understand, how am I being a jag?

If its the leash thing, we kind of have a running insult each other joke.


Of course its stupid, its meant to point out that kids are considered unable to make rational choices until they suddenly can be used as props. Now we should respect their views, despite the fact they have no clear agenda beyond 'Something needs to be done'. This is also assuming school shootings are a clear and present danger to the average student. I'd have more respect if this walkout was in solidarity for teacher raises or more funding for schools.

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None of these "solutions" will stop shit. The only way to stop school shootings is ban all guns and confiscate the ones out there. And if that happens congratulations you have started a second civil war to save the lives of 20 or so children every 4 or 5 years wonderful job.

none of your post is correct.


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Let's ask a basic question and see if we can boil this down.
Which proposed legislation can stem or eliminate school shootings?

Raising the age to legally purchase guns likely could have prevented this school shooting. Definitely could have reduced the severity.

Great question.

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Wow. I'm more liberal than leash too!

What a day.


I don’t know if Liberal is the right word, but I’d definitely say you’re a big fan of government regulation. You would agree, no?

I honestly can't answer that question without more context.

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For real? To what end? It's not like my son reads CNN or watches the news, he wasnt going to stumble across the incident. He plays with toys, video games and watches cartoons.

Internet. Or a friend tells him at school.

You might be a little naive about your son's sources of information.

Even without the internet in third grade, my friends and I were fairly well informed.


It's possible. He might know all sorts of shit that I havent told him but he usually will ask me questions if he hears something disturbing.

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