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More attacks on the kids. Bad look.

Wait... what?

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Darkside wrote:
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More attacks on the kids. Bad look.

Wait... what?

See prior posts.


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More attacks on the kids. Bad look.

Wait... what?

See prior posts.

Yeah... I did see them.
So... What now?

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There are separate efforts to reduce driving deaths. Schools have "Students Against Drunk Driving". By advocating for sensible gun control does not mean you somehow don't care about another one. That's just a petty attack against kids. Like I said, bad look.


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There are separate efforts to reduce driving deaths. Schools have "Students Against Drunk Driving". By advocating for sensible gun control does not mean you somehow don't care about another one. That's just a petty attack against kids. Like I said, bad look.

Bob, I admire your talents as a troll. I really do. I think what you do, playing people against each other, starting shit in all these threads, it's not easy to do without being found out.
But maybe leave "attacking kids" alone.
Or dont. Whatever. I get what you do here.

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Caller Bob wrote:
There are separate efforts to reduce driving deaths. Schools have "Students Against Drunk Driving". By advocating for sensible gun control does not mean you somehow don't care about another one. That's just a petty attack against kids. Like I said, bad look.

Your lack of reading comprehension is the problem here Bob. I never mentioned kids in my post.

Also, sober driving kills way more kids than ARs do, so you’re still missing your mark with that one.

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There are separate efforts to reduce driving deaths. Schools have "Students Against Drunk Driving". By advocating for sensible gun control does not mean you somehow don't care about another one. That's just a petty attack against kids. Like I said, bad look.


Neither does arguing against gun control mean you are for the murder of children.


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 Post subject: Re: School Walkouts
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There are separate efforts to reduce driving deaths. Schools have "Students Against Drunk Driving". By advocating for sensible gun control does not mean you somehow don't care about another one. That's just a petty attack against kids. Like I said, bad look.


Neither does arguing against gin control mean you are for the murder of children.

Whenever someone brings up a salient point Bob can’t respond to he just goes to some silly non sequitor personal attack. It’s his style. Kind of an amusing one, like many acknowledge.

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Serious question, why is the line fully automatic? I'm not attempting a gotcha or anything but doesn't the government have them? How could a well regulated militia stand up to that?

I think Ogie and others have made the argument that people need to have guns good enough to fend off the government. So why the line at fully automatic?

The standard issue infantry rifle of the US military is no longer full automatic and hasn't been since Vietnam. They have specialized M249 SAW, which is a bipod mounted machine guns for full auto.

The reason for that change is that it was discovered that US marksmanship and overall effectiveness of infantry troops had declined with the early M16s, which were full auto. The common complaint at the time was that earlier M16s had turned the US Army from an army of marksmen into an "army of sprayers." As such the M16A2 and later variants had no full auto option and were instead made to fire a 3 round burst. You really are not going to be laying down full auto fire in a tactical situation other than providing covering fire.


Slight mistake regarding Vietnam Nam and the M16. We still had A1’s at full auto as late as 1987.

The A2 was the 1st variant to be 3 round burst instead of auto, but the initiative to change it dates to Vietnam


When you are right about the rest including the SAW I am not sure why you can't just say you were wrong. You said the rifle has not been fully auto since Viet Nam. That is not true. I was the one firing it.

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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

These events are not mutually exclusive.

I never said they were. But it comes off as disingenuous to keep citing saving the lives of kids when the only measure you’re taking towards saving them is asking to ban something that isn’t close to among the leading causes of their deaths.


The media and politicians can't get as much mileage for something "they" want to change focusing on things other than guns and Rick's AR15.

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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

You could use the same logic for police shootings. Many more deaths from drunk drivers than wrongful police actions.

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My nephew is in 8th grade. He chose not to walk out as did most of his friends. However, one of his friends made a sign that said, "It's not about the gun, it's about the person wielding it." And his Marxist teacher took the sign away despite other kids in the class having signs with sentiments ranging from ending gun violence to banning guns, etc. Those were apparently ok. Nice to see 1st amendment rights curbed at a rally that is made possible due to the 1st amendment.

Also, from what he said, a good portion of the kids walking out didn't really have any feelings about it one way or the other and pretty much just followed the group herd mentality. Most of the kids were on their phones sending Snapchats.

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My nephew is in 8th grade. He chose not to walk out as did most of his friends. However, one of his friends made a sign that said, "It's not about the gun, it's about the person wielding it." And his Marxist teacher took the sign away despite other kids in the class having signs with sentiments ranging from ending gun violence to banning guns, etc. Those were apparently ok. Nice to see 1st amendment rights curbed at a rally that is made possible due to the 1st amendment.

Also, from what he said, a good portion of the kids walking out didn't really have any feelings about it one way or the other and pretty much just followed the group herd mentality. Most of the kids were on their phones sending Snapchats.


Your nephew's story does not surprise me.

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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

Because no one argues the other sides of those things?

Very few people defend drunk driving, teens as good drivers, or texting and driving.

Im all for taking measures against those things, though.


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There are separate efforts to reduce driving deaths. Schools have "Students Against Drunk Driving". By advocating for sensible gun control does not mean you somehow don't care about another one. That's just a petty attack against kids. Like I said, bad look.


Neither does arguing against gun control mean you are for the murder of children.

Definitely not.


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My nephew is in 8th grade. He chose not to walk out as did most of his friends. However, one of his friends made a sign that said, "It's not about the gun, it's about the person wielding it." And his Marxist teacher took the sign away despite other kids in the class having signs with sentiments ranging from ending gun violence to banning guns, etc. Those were apparently ok. Nice to see 1st amendment rights curbed at a rally that is made possible due to the 1st amendment.

Also, from what he said, a good portion of the kids walking out didn't really have any feelings about it one way or the other and pretty much just followed the group herd mentality. Most of the kids were on their phones sending Snapchats.

:lol:

I'm surprised that the teacher didn't take the chance to debate him (or have the kids debate one another) rather than snatching the sign away, which is an awful move in many (but not all) cases in school.


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My nephew is in 8th grade. He chose not to walk out as did most of his friends. However, one of his friends made a sign that said, "It's not about the gun, it's about the person wielding it." And his Marxist teacher took the sign away despite other kids in the class having signs with sentiments ranging from ending gun violence to banning guns, etc. Those were apparently ok. Nice to see 1st amendment rights curbed at a rally that is made possible due to the 1st amendment.

Also, from what he said, a good portion of the kids walking out didn't really have any feelings about it one way or the other and pretty much just followed the group herd mentality. Most of the kids were on their phones sending Snapchats.

I find that hard to believe. Feels like there is a detail missing.

But if that IS true, the teacher is ridiculous and should be disciplined.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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There are separate efforts to reduce driving deaths. Schools have "Students Against Drunk Driving". By advocating for sensible gun control does not mean you somehow don't care about another one. That's just a petty attack against kids. Like I said, bad look.


Neither does arguing against gun control mean you are for the murder of children.


I will absolutely cede you that point...if we can also agree that is absurd to suggest that advocating for efficient gun regulations while still respecting the 2nd amendment, makes you a disingenuous person.


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My nephew is in 8th grade. He chose not to walk out as did most of his friends. However, one of his friends made a sign that said, "It's not about the gun, it's about the person wielding it." And his Marxist teacher took the sign away despite other kids in the class having signs with sentiments ranging from ending gun violence to banning guns, etc. Those were apparently ok. Nice to see 1st amendment rights curbed at a rally that is made possible due to the 1st amendment.

Also, from what he said, a good portion of the kids walking out didn't really have any feelings about it one way or the other and pretty much just followed the group herd mentality. Most of the kids were on their phones sending Snapchats.

I find that hard to believe. Feels like there is a detail missing.

But if that IS true, the teacher is ridiculous and should be disciplined.


Yeah, I cannot corroborate the story as I wasn't there, but my nephew is a good kid and said he witnessed it first hand that the teacher said the sign was offensive and not appropriate for the day.

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My nephew is in 8th grade. He chose not to walk out as did most of his friends. However, one of his friends made a sign that said, "It's not about the gun, it's about the person wielding it." And his Marxist teacher took the sign away despite other kids in the class having signs with sentiments ranging from ending gun violence to banning guns, etc. Those were apparently ok. Nice to see 1st amendment rights curbed at a rally that is made possible due to the 1st amendment.

Also, from what he said, a good portion of the kids walking out didn't really have any feelings about it one way or the other and pretty much just followed the group herd mentality. Most of the kids were on their phones sending Snapchats.

:lol:

I'm surprised that the teacher didn't take the chance to debate him (or have the kids debate one another) rather than snatching the sign away, which is an awful move in many (but not all) cases in school.


Yeah, a good teacher could have used that as an opportunity for the entire class. Instead, she showed her ass due to her own agenda.

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Even though I don't agree with your nephew on this particular issue, I do admire that he made an informed decision and his sign was very clever. I respect his view and his willingness to research the topic and form an opinion based on this, rather than just following the crowd.

I'm not in the business of attacking kids, I'll leave that for FavreFan's, Ogies of this world.


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My nephew is in 8th grade. He chose not to walk out as did most of his friends. However, one of his friends made a sign that said, "It's not about the gun, it's about the person wielding it." And his Marxist teacher took the sign away despite other kids in the class having signs with sentiments ranging from ending gun violence to banning guns, etc. Those were apparently ok. Nice to see 1st amendment rights curbed at a rally that is made possible due to the 1st amendment.

Also, from what he said, a good portion of the kids walking out didn't really have any feelings about it one way or the other and pretty much just followed the group herd mentality. Most of the kids were on their phones sending Snapchats.

I find that hard to believe. Feels like there is a detail missing.

But if that IS true, the teacher is ridiculous and should be disciplined.


Yeah, I cannot corroborate the story as I wasn't there, but my nephew is a good kid and said he witnessed it first hand that the teacher said the sign was offensive and not appropriate for the day.

Yea, and Im not calling you or him a liar or anything but you know kids and how things get twisted.

Like would it shock you to find out the sign said "Hey Lemming Liberals, its not about the gun, it's about the person wielding it"


Which brings me to one of my favorite subjects, telling Leash he is wrong.

Leash wrote something about Gun control people being condescending. I would have agreed with that pre 2016. The worm has turned. Being liberal is a dirty word and basically code for dumb ass according to most people online. There is far more EDUCATING LIBS type stuff than the other way around at this point.


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Rogers Park Bryan is back. He's more athletic and has a made some tweaks to his batting stroke. He's hitting for both power and average. This is very good. Very good.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:25 am 
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My nephew is in 8th grade. He chose not to walk out as did most of his friends. However, one of his friends made a sign that said, "It's not about the gun, it's about the person wielding it." And his Marxist teacher took the sign away despite other kids in the class having signs with sentiments ranging from ending gun violence to banning guns, etc. Those were apparently ok. Nice to see 1st amendment rights curbed at a rally that is made possible due to the 1st amendment.

Also, from what he said, a good portion of the kids walking out didn't really have any feelings about it one way or the other and pretty much just followed the group herd mentality. Most of the kids were on their phones sending Snapchats.

What area is the school in? I'm guessing that has a lot of influence on what the teachers take away (much as that will pain PittMike to read)


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Which brings me to one of my favorite subjects, telling Leash he is wrong.

Leash wrote something about Gun control people being condescending. I would have agreed with that pre 2016. The worm has turned. Being liberal is a dirty word and basically code for dumb ass according to most people online. There is far more EDUCATING LIBS type stuff than the other way around at this point.

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Rogers Park Bryan is back. He's more athletic and has a made some tweaks to his batting stroke. He's hitting for both power and average.

Compact strike zone.

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My nephew is in 8th grade. He chose not to walk out as did most of his friends. However, one of his friends made a sign that said, "It's not about the gun, it's about the person wielding it." And his Marxist teacher took the sign away despite other kids in the class having signs with sentiments ranging from ending gun violence to banning guns, etc. Those were apparently ok. Nice to see 1st amendment rights curbed at a rally that is made possible due to the 1st amendment.

Also, from what he said, a good portion of the kids walking out didn't really have any feelings about it one way or the other and pretty much just followed the group herd mentality. Most of the kids were on their phones sending Snapchats.

What area is the school in? I'm guessing that has a lot of influence on what the teachers take away (much as that will pain PittMike to read)


Huntley. Upper middle-class mostly white district.

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My nephew is in 8th grade. He chose not to walk out as did most of his friends. However, one of his friends made a sign that said, "It's not about the gun, it's about the person wielding it." And his Marxist teacher took the sign away despite other kids in the class having signs with sentiments ranging from ending gun violence to banning guns, etc. Those were apparently ok. Nice to see 1st amendment rights curbed at a rally that is made possible due to the 1st amendment.

Also, from what he said, a good portion of the kids walking out didn't really have any feelings about it one way or the other and pretty much just followed the group herd mentality. Most of the kids were on their phones sending Snapchats.

What area is the school in? I'm guessing that has a lot of influence on what the teachers take away (much as that will pain PittMike to read)


Huntley. Upper middle-class mostly white district.

The people I know from out there are generally pretty moderate. McHenry they would have taken his friend's sign and made copies to hand out to the other kids.


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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

Because no one argues the other sides of those things?

Very few people defend drunk driving, teens as good drivers, or texting and driving.

Im all for taking measures against those things, though.


False equivalency.

How many people aren't against mass murder? Because that's the comparison that works. You are comparing a prescription for a problem (gun control) to problems themselves (drunk driving, texting, etc.). If you want to make a fair comparison, you would have to compare specific gun control measures with measures aimed at curbing drunk driving or texting, such as breathalyzers on all cars or cars that won't operate while a phone is on. And you would absolutely have people arguing against those things.

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Which brings me to one of my favorite subjects, telling Leash he is wrong.

Leash wrote something about Gun control people being condescending. I would have agreed with that pre 2016. The worm has turned. Being liberal is a dirty word and basically code for dumb ass according to most people online. There is far more EDUCATING LIBS type stuff than the other way around at this point.

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A slam dunk for that? Even if it's true, it has nothing to do with gun control people being condescending. There are two basic flaws in the argument:

- Liberal does not equal pro-gun control
- Even if it did, the two things aren't mutually exclusive. If you want to start a thread about dumb people saying "libtard," go ahead and I'll agree with you.

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