Marijuana would like to have a word with you.

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Marijuana isn't regulated in the eyes of the federal govt. It's a Tier 1 drug and is completely illegal. Even cocaine isn't Tier 1.

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You may be right.


I think I'd be in favor of background checks for private sales. What do you think?

What exactly do you think regulation is?

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Everyone wants someone to have guns. They just don't want the average person to have them. Guns are for special people. Like DannyB.

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Are you ok with people with clear mental health issues not having access to a gun?

That's what Cuomo says he is after. Debating what we think he truly wants seems like a waste of time until he actually says it.

Kind of like how people have accepted the fully automatic ban?

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Of course. But how do we determine that?

And I wasn't singling out Cuomo. I didn't even mention him. I just don't want to hear people who are surrounded 24/7 by armed guards with "assault weapons" whining about "gun control".

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Well, it has different meanings. I interpret it in this instance as legal and controlled. I look at illegal items differently than regulated.

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Just a minor point of contention here...

Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act


The Federal Government classified certain semi automatic weapons as "Assault Weapons"


That's odd because I see a lot of "there's no such thing as an assault weapon" statements on line.

That seems like a pretty black and white way to look at it.

Either be in favor of getting rid of all guns or no control at all?

How the hell did Clinton get that gun legislation passed in this country?

Have we changed that much since 94?

There's already all kinds of gun control. Let's not pretend we're not talking about seizing some guns at a minimum.

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Background checks, waiting lists, special permits to own certain types of guns, passing courses for CC, age restrictions - all forms of gun control.

JORR is just pointing out, and I agree, when politicians request restrictions on guns for private citizens that their own guards or selves don't have to follow. Pretty hypocritical.

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No. Germany and Switzerland have high rates of gun ownership and low rates of homicide. Highest gun homicide rates are still in central and south American countries. We have the highest rate of mass shooters.

Where are you getting that this was about kids walking out? This was absolutely about gun control. This walkout was organized and funded by a political group with an agenda to make laws behind it.

Ain't that the truth.

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It's certainly an option, and when the gun lobby seemingly is saying the solution to guns in schools is significantly more guns in schools then it becomes more of a solution worth considering.

Just think about that for a minute. One side is literally lobbying for 2nd graders to be taught by a guy or girl wearing a "pistol" and yet you and others are worried that someone may have to sell back their AR15 which is "not something special as a firearm".

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I dont think that's true.

Where are you getting that? A quick google shows U.S. number one from several different sources.

We have more shootings because we have more guns. The mental health thing is ridiculous. There are crazy people in every country.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated ... by_country

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/small-arms ... -1.3392204

And homicide rates are misleading because that has a lot to do with medical care. Shooting numbers are more relevant.


Where am I getting that I was talking about kids walking out? From my own mind.

JLN posted that it was INSANITY that they were walking out and I argued that. I never once said anything about gun control and I personally know a lot of people who supported the walkout that think armed guards are the answer.

I have not heard one politician even bring up the idea of removing one legal gun.

Maybe they secretly want that. I dont think you can treat it like a fact though.

I don't think that's hypocritical. I'm assuming their guards are heavily trained and Im assuming they are ok with those guards carrying guns in their own private lives away from the politician.

The stance could be only heavily checked and trained people should have guns.

If that's the stance, there is no hypocrisy.

Sure.

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We have more gun deaths, sure, but we also have a much larger population than MANY other nations. It's important to look at death rates by country to account for the difference in population size. NPR said in 2017 the US is 31st in the world in non-suicide gun deaths per 100,000 people.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... -countries



No, I meant to point out it was insanity that a media member would proudly boast about covering a student walk-out at an elementary school, and it's insane to pretend that 5th graders walking out of school are actually understanding what they're doing and why they're doing it. I stand by both of those points.

Then you're not paying attention.
Illinois tried this just this week. Rauner vetoed the bill that would have required the surrender, not buy back, the surrender of thousands of firearms in Illinois.

It ultimately would have been (or should have been) unconstituitional as an ex post facto law but I am not sure it would have made a difference in time.

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I think a case could be made that suicides should be included. But again, deaths have a lot to do with medical care.

Where are we on shootings?

Fair enough, my point was that my response to you was about taking issue with the walkout, not gun control.

I'm trying to pay attention.

According to the Tribune that bill was about regulating sales. I didn't see anything about buy back or surrender.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/news/ ... i10c.dv=13

What am I missing? Is it another bill?

CNN https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas ... index.html

Your cbc article supports what I'm saying. Finland is on the list and has half the homicides we do. Sweden and Norway are way lower. I believe Switzerland is low but don't see the data. Most of the other countries listed have been involved in civil wars within the last 20 years or so or at least have an unstable existence.

"From my own mind"...But that's not reality in this case. The walkout was organized and supported by Empower. Knowingly or unknowingly you stood with and supported Women's March Youth. That includes "Any legislation that would aim to fortify our schools with more guns." The people that think armed guards are the answer just walked out against themselves.

Sorry the one I'm referring to passed the house not the one rauner vetoed yesterday...



House Bill 1465, as amended by Representative Michelle Mussman (D-56), previously passed the House by a vote of 64-51.  It would deny law-abiding young adults under the age of 21 their Second Amendment rights by prohibiting them from possessing or purchasing commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms, standard capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, and .50 BMG caliber rifles.  The bill would require adults under the age of 21 to dispose of such firearms within 90 days and to dispose of standard capacity magazines over ten rounds in capacity immediately.  In addition, language in the bill would prohibit out-of-state visitors from being present in Illinois for longer than 24 hours with such firearms or standard capacity magazines.

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That was dumb by the Dems in Illinois. I saw a few Republican Reps said they would have considered the ban of future sales(under 21), but balked when it came to criminalizing current owners. I would have been against that too. Future sales would have been more than enough.

Yep.

How are Democrats so goddamn dumb all the time?

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Again, homicides are not the number to use. Shootings are.

The US has the most guns by far and that's why we have the most gun violence by far. Most people here and everywhere agree with that. This is a weird argument to make.

Do you believe we have more mentally ill people than other countries?


That CNN article absolutely contradicts what you are saying.

The US has one of the highest rates of death by firearm in the developed world, according to World Health Organization data.

Gun homicide rates are 25.2% higher in the U.S. than other high-income countries


Finland has exactly half the rate per capita! (33-66)


You are misunderstanding what I said.

I was arguing the kids had the right to walk out. I stood with and supported people's right to protest. I would do the same for anyone on virtually any issue.

I never said a word about supporting the cause. I argued that not all of them want gun control. Go back and look if you don't believe me.

Oh and not every school claimed or even knew anything about the Women's March Youth organizing. I believe the walkout was the idea of the Parkland kids and the women's group jumped on.

It seems like you are just running down the list of right wing media's takes on this thing yesterday.