How old is Attabatacola? Mid-40s? Crazy that he still doesn't get that in the private sector... tenure doesn't always = 1st to get promotion.

He's so fucking dumb..I bet he fathers another kid too.

Believe it or not, people think that if you "put the time in" you deserve the "manager" spot.

He should find a government job then.

Goff and Drinky and Holmes had been around the Score long enough to see what direction the station was going in. Guys like North and Hood and Mac were dumped and Boers' voice was diminished in favor of Bernstein's. If you wanted to have a future at the station you needed to be like him. All of those guys rightly adjusted their styles. When you have a lot to lose or a family to feed you do whatever you feel is necessary to be successful. Unfortunately it didn't work out for them. That's honestly the way I see it. The lesson from the Hood situation was to fit in until your stature grows enough.

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I agree with this, but did Larry really emulate Danny? The turn at the station is when Boers was phoning it in. Larry would be very good with ESPN, imo.

you think they styled themselves after Bernstein because they felt they felt they had to in order to survive at the station ?

Larry was the first guy I noticed try to be Dan. He was essentially a bobble head when he would work with Dan. Over the past couple of years he's realized that it wasn't working for him and has tried to adjust. He's still boring and bad but he sounds great.

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Yes. It was clear where the station was going. Being somewhat of a meatball was a bad idea.

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Not wanting to hear politics on a sports talk show isn't being "narrow minded" Drinky. If you, or Goff, or Bernstein, or Jules want to talk politics, there are plenty of outlets for that. Work hard at it and if you're good you'll attract listeners and have your platform. Nothing gets handed to you because you think you deserve it.

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That's a whole lotta sense of entitlement.

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Being a producer for a bunch of years does not make you host material.

Starting as a host in a small market and delivering there is what makes you host material. 670 has to be the only place where the morons behind the booth think they are the next star. Parkins had the right idea.

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Yeah, it's an odd way of thinking. Long time equipment managers don't think they "deserve" to be a head coach just because they've cleaned the locker room for 16 years.

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But apparently according to Nas, it’s not their fault they were this way . Evil Dan Bernstein poisoned their minds and they’re actually victims in people not wanting to listen to their show.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Yeah, like I said in another thread, he got lucky with the way things went despite his own instincts. Sir is a guy who legitimately has the beef drinky thinks he and Jason have. He's a real pro broadcaster who knows his craft not just some goof who produced a long time and thinks he "deserves" to be on the air. He did start to emulate bernstein- even more than everyone else at one point- but I think he was smart enough to see that dan didn't give a fuck about him so he went his own way. As you say, he's boring. That's his problem.

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It's interesting that he mentions show prep (or lack thereof). I always felt that for whatever reason, B&B in later years and then B&G suffered from shitty production. WYC was a perfect example...the producers allowed Bernstein to read whatever long-winded political craps fit his agenda, and many of the crappers that made it through to the airwaves clearly had no concept of the segment's essence.

They took Murph's overproduction and went to the other extreme...no production. I think if they had Larry producing, things might have been much different.

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Goff also had the right idea. Even though the Atlanta gig didn't work out, he built his resume to get a full-time midday slot and then a promotion to afternoons.

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Matt seems to make a bogus claim of hypocrisy (he'd fit right in around here) about how listeners weren't actually pissed that sports talk wasn't apolitical with Dan and Jason, just that it wasn't their brand of politics being showcased or argued. But I can only say in response to that distinction: Duh? People who listen to political talk radio aren't very keen on being challenged politically, but it is hypocritical for sports talk listeners to expect to not be challenged in that manner, and actively dislike it when it happens? Seems like seriously faulty logic to me (again, he'd fit in great around here).

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Stop saying there wasn't a ratings problem. There was a HUGE ratings problem. Third in the key demo is fine when you're ahead of the competition, sure you'd like as large a share as possible, but when you have most of the available listeners to your format, you're doing pretty damn good. However, when your third place finish is actually behind the competition—to say nothing of the size of the deficit—you are not performing all that well. And when you go from being ahead of the competition in the key demo, to falling behind them as they see a rise in the same demo, it is unquestionable that you are actively driving listeners away from your content and to the competition, and that is a HUGE issue. Goff tried painting their third place finish is not that bad, and his sycophants are following his lead, but that is just as disingenuous as Feder using 12+ demo ratings.

It was the right idea but it's not like he was successful in Atlanta. How much of a resume can you build getting canned in School Board and Hamcubes' neck of the woods?

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No Bryce you fucking moron, listening to W & S is what Lil Danny and Goff told people to do you fucking kiss ass.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Fake news! I never said they weren't responsible for the path they chose or that listeners should have wanted to him them.

Parkins was lucky that he wasn't a part of the Score transition or he likely would have become a victim of the Bernstein Effect.

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They weren't nearly entertaining enough for MANY listeners to ultimately put up with the parts they didn't like. I tune in expecting to be entertained and informed. Everyone, I suspect, knows what I'm looking for ... there are several dozen examples of B&B (and even a few great B&G examples too) on YT that demonstrate when the entertainment part of the show was rolling along. This pairing didn't do that enough, and they didn't do that enough by choice (but not by cracky).

Bring up politics once in a while. Bring up socio-economic issues once in a while. That's just being topical and, ideally, informative as well, especially when there's a direct, or fairly direct, tie-in to sports. Don't spend a LOT of time preaching a message (good, bad, or indifferent) that is specifically being preached for two concurrent reasons: (a) to preach to the choir, and (b) to piss off people that disagree.

There was rarely any honest effort, that I could detect anyway (and I'm no dullard if I might immodestly say so), put into trying to explain or discuss or cover non-sports things of importance (real or imagined) in the hopes that maybe some who disagreed might be inclined to at least put their own ideas to the test and possibly, in time, change their viewpoint partly b/c these two made some points that caught the listeners' attention. Those few that perhaps considered rethinking or at least debating the issue were, far more often than not, shouted down. Do that to stupid meatball callers, that's fine. If you're (ostensibly) trying to have a discussion (rather than just a monologue), it's not difficult to discern that thanking callers that agree and shitting on callers that question anything when you're not trying to be entertaining is fatiguing for the listeners, even the ALS'ers. Shit, the last couple of years I've (sort of) come around on Laurence precisely because of the precipitous drop-off of the afternoon show, even when Terry was around as well as the cavalcade of guest hosts toward the very end.

Too much grandstanding and self-aggrandizement turns people off (except Trump voters I guess), and as a result MANY listeners apparently turned their radios off or to another channel. Cause and effect; nothing more complex than that. Generally speaking, the rest is mostly secondary and tertiary supposition.

Goff thought he was Deion Sanders, but was closer to Walt Harris ... good, but not great (brief flashes of exception excluded). Great likely would've overcome the hubris; good, unfortunately, did not.

Dan failed to course-correct and thought he'd roll on b/c he's FOTS.

And let the record show ... heyyyy ... that this all comes from an aforementioned ALS'er.

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He certainly was vulnerable. Had he arrived a year earlier I'm sure he would have become a bernstein clone.

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He has that perfect mix.

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This board is a pretty good indication of how many people stopped listening to the show. The B&B show used to have a ton of posts with positive discussion about the show. Towards the end of Boers stint, it started turning more negative while maintaining a healthy post amount. When the afternoon show can barely get a page or sometimes not even a thread for that day, it went from hate-listening to people in droves listening to other stations or podcasts. Radio is having a tough time attracting new and younger listeners because of the expanse of media options; it would behoove them to keep the loyal listeners that started listening between 1992-2010 while scooping any younger listeners that they can. You have to maintain a strong base with subtly evolving to bring in a younger audience; Dan seemed to focus on alienating that base in an attempt to bring in a new audience. That audience isn't as numerous as it was in the past; I hope Dan realizes his mistake and becomes more sports/less politics on his show. No matter if the host is liberal or conservative, too much politics on a sports station will drive away a significant part of the audience.

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I'm quoting this because it speaks for me and in better language than I could have put it. Therefore:

This.

It's a shame. That show hooked me on sportsradio...they'll never be another B&B.

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We have discussed the poor ratings lately on this board a ton. Everyone except a couple guys knew it was tanking.

What we have here are actors, their friends and fanboys acting like the DNC and HRC trying to figure out how the fuck they lost everything while shoving shit down people's throats that they did not want.

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Huh?

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Don't you dare tell the ALS that the ratings were poor. They get angry. I guess ratings books that don't line up with who the like are now Fake News.

People like Drinky and the rest claiming that the B&G show's ratings were fine. No they were not. Like the Dems that got an election beat down handed to them B&B were so arrogant they just kept doing what they wanted. Now where are they?

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