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 Post subject: Re: Election Day!
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Let's be honest here, does the vote for governor really matter when Michael Madigan is truly your state's governor? Heck for all the crap Rauner takes, he really has no power, nor did any governor before him have any power. Madigan truly runs the state and that isn't changing. The sad thing is, he'll be dropping dead right when the fiscal time bomb blows up, so he won't have to see it or catch grief for it.


I guess I make the assumption that even Madigan would like to solve the state's problems. If he does not, then yes, none of us can do anything.

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I think everyone is coming to the realization that the Constitution needs to be changed. There is a mechanism to change as was done in 1970. The state is on its fourth constitution. And I think a good compromise would be to loosen the pension guarantee built into the current constitution and add a progressive tax. The broad way in which the current pension guarantee has been interpreted where you can't change even future benefits is just not sustainable. Like Jaw, I wouldn't like a progressive tax, but our society obviously views that as a fair way to tax income. You could probably get term limits put in too.


I would be fine with a progressive tax system, but you have to fix the property tax issue before that, which first requires fixing the pension guarantee. Too many big things, and with Madigan in charge, it will never happen. Term limits are must, but again...Madigan.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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Let's be honest here, does the vote for governor really matter when Michael Madigan is truly your state's governor? Heck for all the crap Rauner takes, he really has no power, nor did any governor before him have any power. Madigan truly runs the state and that isn't changing. The sad thing is, he'll be dropping dead right when the fiscal time bomb blows up, so he won't have to see it or catch grief for it.


True. But a guy like Pritzker can enact Madigan's vision much quicker. Rauner tried to play tough guy and stall. It can work but only for so long.

Isn't enacting Madigan's vision for the last 30+ years the reason that Illinois is in this mess?


Yes. I wasn't in favor of Madigan's vision. Just that a Dem governor expedites it.

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I guess I make the assumption that even Madigan would like to solve the state's problems.


Sure, but his idea of fixing it is with higher taxes, not lower spending/pensions.

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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.
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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.

And this is the guy asking for Seacrest to be booted.....
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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.

And this is the guy asking for Seacrest to be booted.....


Democrats propose this in much more eloquent and graceful terms and people eat it up. Do a Freakonomics podcast on it and it's all over but the shouting.

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The problem with Madigan is, as others have pointed out, he isn't going anywhere until he's taking a dirt nap. IL is going to be under a Dem majority. It's the facts of life. Just like there are states that will be under GOP control no matter what. The issue with Madigan is he gets so much shit for his district that nobody will vote against him. I have a cousin who is a proud MAGA hat wearing righty. Lives in Madigan's district. She will go on and on about what a scumbag piece of garbage and detriment to the state he is and end it by saying she will vote for him every time because of all the shit he gets done for them. So you either find somebody that can work with him or nothing will move forward at all. I think JB was a horrible choice, but he's better than "i'm droppin' my g's and cleanin' up Springfield and have no real plan other than blame Madigan for everything"
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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/03/20/illinois-primary-voter-turnout/amp/

As the primary Election Day played out, there were few lines at the polls, and many voters who were there expressed frustration with the process.

And those complaints may have something to do with mild interest at the polls, CBS 2’s Dorothy Tucker reports. In the city, turnout is expected to loom around 29 percent; Cook County anticipates a 31 percent turnout.

Some voters were appalled at the amount of money spent on campaigns-tens of millions of dollars, including a governor’s contest that could become the most expensive in history.

“I was shocked at how much money was spent on the governor’s race,” said one voter. “It’s sad people have to have a lot of money to run.”

Another voter complained that despite all the campaigning, there were few facts available to make an informed decision.

At least these voters were among those casting a ballot.

Turnout among millennial voters was the lowest, at only 3 percent.

Voters between 54-74 had the highest turnout of 42 percent.

For others there was a bright spot.

Stephanie McDonald noted hat some of this year’s candidates are young adults: “I’m happy they’re doing this and happy to see them lending their voices to something.”

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The problem with Madigan is, as others have pointed out, he isn't going anywhere until he's taking a dirt nap. IL is going to be under a Dem majority. It's the facts of life. Just like there are states that will be under GOP control no matter what. The issue with Madigan is he gets so much shit for his district that nobody will vote against him. I have a cousin who is a proud MAGA hat wearing righty. Lives in Madigan's district. She will go on and on about what a scumbag piece of garbage and detriment to the state he is and end it by saying she will vote for him every time because of all the shit he gets done for them. So you either find somebody that can work with him or nothing will move forward at all. I think JB was a horrible choice, but he's better than "i'm droppin' my g's and cleanin' up Springfield and have no real plan other than blame Madigan for everything"


There was a recent Trib article about how Madigan bought a bunch of tree trimming trucks for his district years ago and every time near elections, makes sure the residents see them in full operation.

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Don Tiny wrote:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/03/20/illinois-primary-voter-turnout/amp/

As the primary Election Day played out, there were few lines at the polls, and many voters who were there expressed frustration with the process.

And those complaints may have something to do with mild interest at the polls, CBS 2’s Dorothy Tucker reports. In the city, turnout is expected to loom around 29 percent; Cook County anticipates a 31 percent turnout.

Some voters were appalled at the amount of money spent on campaigns-tens of millions of dollars, including a governor’s contest that could become the most expensive in history.

“I was shocked at how much money was spent on the governor’s race,” said one voter. “It’s sad people have to have a lot of money to run.”

Another voter complained that despite all the campaigning, there were few facts available to make an informed decision.

At least these voters were among those casting a ballot.

Turnout among millennial voters was the lowest, at only 3 percent.

Voters between 54-74 had the highest turnout of 42 percent.

For others there was a bright spot.

Stephanie McDonald noted hat some of this year’s candidates are young adults: “I’m happy they’re doing this and happy to see them lending their voices to something.”


We get the government we deserve.

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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.

This post has literally been written by a human leech...

Let that thought sink in

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Ives would have won easily(IMO) if she laid off the bible banging social issues which have no upside in this state anyways.


I agree with this. She should have stuck to attacking Rauner and focused on the people leaving the state, and she could have won.

That's alright. Pritzker will put the final nail in Illinois' coffin.


Well I hope RR is right about him being pragmatic. And I am also comforted if he is in fact well liked by folks that know him. We need a dose of pragmatism. The long term financial problems will only be solved if the Dems all get on board. I don't know how you fix the pension with the way the IL Supreme Court has ruled. Without a fix, that albatross will eventually sink the state.

Rauner just wanted to fight on every financial issue without ever offering a real plan. Sure Madigan is a bigger problem, but Rauner's tactics were never going to fix anything. JB may be big enough to get some folks on board.

A taxpayer can dream, right?


I say let the billionaires have a battle royal for who rules us with a $100 million buy in. No vote and no commercials. No residency requirement. Use the money to pay down pensions. I swear we would not be worse in terms of governance with this idea. I promise you we would get at least a cool billion from that.

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I guess I make the assumption that even Madigan would like to solve the state's problems.


Sure, but his idea of fixing it is with higher taxes, not lower spending/pensions.


Let's be honest. Illinois is closer to going the way of NY and California with tax and spend than Texas. It's just the nature of electorate. So guys like you and me have to decide if we care more about fiscal sanity or keeping taxes low. We have learned you can't have both in places like this.

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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.


I was listening to a conservative priest the other day who thought clergy involving themselves in politics was abhorrent to God. You should not have to coerce actions through law. Instead, you should be able to speak your message and have it accepted not by legal force but by its clear morality.

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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.


I was listening to a conservative priest the other day who thought clergy involving themselves in politics was abhorrent to God. You should not have to coerce actions through law. Instead, you should be able to speak your message and have it accepted not by legal force but by its clear morality.


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America wrote:
If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.


I was listening to a conservative priest the other day who thought clergy involving themselves in politics was abhorrent to God. You should not have to coerce actions through law. Instead, you should be able to speak your message and have it accepted not by legal force but by its clear morality.


Shots fired at Seacrest!


Seacrest probably hears a similar message most Sundays. And agrees.

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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.

This post has literally been written by a human leech...

Let that thought sink in


Hopefully he blows himself up out of abject fear next.

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Ok, America has to be one big troll job....."fart that thing out at Stroger?" The entire post is idiotic, but who writes shit like that even around this place?

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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.


I was listening to a conservative priest the other day who thought clergy involving themselves in politics was abhorrent to God. You should not have to coerce actions through law. Instead, you should be able to speak your message and have it accepted not by legal force but by its clear morality.


Shots fired at Seacrest!


Seacrest probably hears a similar message most Sundays. And agrees.



I've never heard a priest recommend or mention a political candidate from the pulpit EVER.

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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.

And this is the guy asking for Seacrest to be booted.....

Can't we just boot both?

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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.


I was listening to a conservative priest the other day who thought clergy involving themselves in politics was abhorrent to God. You should not have to coerce actions through law. Instead, you should be able to speak your message and have it accepted not by legal force but by its clear morality.


So if your clear morality is based upon your faith, doesn't it follow that you are bringing your religion to politics?

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I got a robo call today tell me to vote for some Hispanic judge yesterday. Sad!


Hispanic judge still could have beat Oberweiss.
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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.


I was listening to a conservative priest the other day who thought clergy involving themselves in politics was abhorrent to God. You should not have to coerce actions through law. Instead, you should be able to speak your message and have it accepted not by legal force but by its clear morality.


So if your clear morality is based upon your faith, doesn't it follow that you are bringing your religion to politics?


I don't think morality is necessarily based in faith. People without faith (I assume you mean in God or a religion) can be moral.

However, what he was saying is that clergy should not be engaged in politics.

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If someone wanted to get an abortion in Chicago while they were in labor I'd have driven them to the clinic. The amount of money the state of Illinois and Chicago save by exterminating (at least) a third of the future criminal, drug addict, welfare leech population before they are even born is immeasurable. I'm generally opposed to abortion in civilized places, but it is a necessary evil in the United States and especially Chicago.

The city or state should go as far as to pay for it. Hell operate their own clinics and advertise FREE ABORTIONS. How much is an abortion? Like $200? Pays for itself right away, its not like these people have health insurance. They're gonna fart that thing out at Stroger, skip out on the bill then go on failing to raise it.


I was listening to a conservative priest the other day who thought clergy involving themselves in politics was abhorrent to God. You should not have to coerce actions through law. Instead, you should be able to speak your message and have it accepted not by legal force but by its clear morality.


Shots fired at Seacrest!


Seacrest probably hears a similar message most Sundays. And agrees.



I've never heard a priest recommend or mention a political candidate from the pulpit EVER.


I think that was Dolphin's point

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