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This is easily domestic terrorism. Full stop.


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Yes, I am. I was speaking about the general use and definition of "terrorism" and such, not the legal definition and use. I am wary of crimes that effectively criminalize intent, up to and including ones dealing with terrorism.
So, you have no problem with a crime being labeled a hate crime outside of the courtroom?
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:lol: "You committed a crime! I'm speaking informally, of course!"

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So this is a third distinct definition, now? All mass murder is terrorism, regardless of whether it causes terror in others? Can a single murder or anything less than murder be terrorism?
It's not a distinct definition at all. You can terrorize without killing anyone but attempting to kill many people is terrorism


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Caller Bob wrote:
This is easily domestic terrorism. Full stop.


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Caller Bob wrote:
This is easily domestic terrorism. Full stop.


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One of the Current Pacer Players looks like him. I was watching them last week and I was like damn did Austin Croshere come out of retirement or something?

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I'm fine with either definition of "terrorism". Let's just pick one and stick to it. I think the broader definition then necessitates a discussion about how it applies to other areas of our society, and if I had my druthers we would stick to the politically-oriented definition, but the existence of the two distinct definitions, able to be substituted at will by anybody, simply creates confusion and disingenuous arguments.
Aren't you against the concept of "hate crimes"?

If a guy is looking to commit mass murder then he is a terrorist.

How many does it take to qualify as mass murder?
I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm serious.
I think there are some times the label would be arguable but in the case of leaving/mailing many bombs I think it's pretty clear that it is an attempt at mass murder.

That's not what I asked.

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:lol: "You committed a crime! I'm speaking informally, of course!"
Of course I'm speaking informally. Do you speak as if you are in a courtroom?

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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So this is a third distinct definition, now? All mass murder is terrorism, regardless of whether it causes terror in others? Can a single murder or anything less than murder be terrorism?
It's not a distinct definition at all. You can terrorize without killing anyone but attempting to kill many people is terrorism


None of this answers the question posed to you.
Yes it does.

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The suspect is a 23-year-old kid. They tracked him down due to his purchase of exotic batteries used in the explosives.

That's how Pacino tried to track Deniro's crew in Heat, but as Wes Studhi told him, the explosive used was too common to trace the sale.



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One of the Current Pacer Players looks like him. I was watching them last week and I was like damn did Austin Croshere come out of retirement or something?

I was more of a Jeff Foster guy.

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I'm so glad Twitter isn't a place where you can find people using the deaths of others to push their various agenda:

He was a terrorist. Why are you mad Twitter is calling him one?


What was the political aim of his bombings?


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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:lol: "You committed a crime! I'm speaking informally, of course!"
Of course I'm speaking informally. Do you speak as if you are in a courtroom?



You can't accuse someone of a crime "[X] is a hate crime" and then claim to not be talking about the legal definition. :lol:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
So this is a third distinct definition, now? All mass murder is terrorism, regardless of whether it causes terror in others? Can a single murder or anything less than murder be terrorism?
It's not a distinct definition at all. You can terrorize without killing anyone but attempting to kill many people is terrorism


None of this answers the question posed to you.
Yes it does.


No, it doesn't.
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I'm fine with either definition of "terrorism". Let's just pick one and stick to it. I think the broader definition then necessitates a discussion about how it applies to other areas of our society, and if I had my druthers we would stick to the politically-oriented definition, but the existence of the two distinct definitions, able to be substituted at will by anybody, simply creates confusion and disingenuous arguments.
Aren't you against the concept of "hate crimes"?

If a guy is looking to commit mass murder then he is a terrorist.

How many does it take to qualify as mass murder?
I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm serious.
I think there are some times the label would be arguable but in the case of leaving/mailing many bombs I think it's pretty clear that it is an attempt at mass murder.

That's not what I asked.
If you want an exact answer, then I would say the killing or attempting to kill more than 1 person to meet that qualification for mass murder.

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Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.

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If you want an exact answer, then I would say the killing or attempting to kill more than 1 person to meet that qualification for mass murder.


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Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.


If "double homicide+ or attempt at same" is the definition for "mass murder", and committing or attempting to commit "mass murder" is defined as "terrorism", then the terrorist capital of the world has to be....
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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:lol: "You committed a crime! I'm speaking informally, of course!"
Of course I'm speaking informally. Do you speak as if you are in a courtroom?



You can't accuse someone of a crime "[X] is a hate crime" and then claim to not be talking about the legal definition. :lol:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
So this is a third distinct definition, now? All mass murder is terrorism, regardless of whether it causes terror in others? Can a single murder or anything less than murder be terrorism?
It's not a distinct definition at all. You can terrorize without killing anyone but attempting to kill many people is terrorism


None of this answers the question posed to you.
Yes it does.


No, it doesn't.


I like where this is headed!

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You can't accuse someone of a crime "[X] is a hate crime" and then claim to not be talking about the legal definition. :lol:
Sure you can.

Indiana does not have hate crime laws. If a KKK member were to shoot up a minority church are you saying that I couldn't call it a "hate crime" when discussing with another person and not in a courtroom?

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Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.
Why? You asked for one part of the definition. It doesn't mean all killings of more than 1 person is a mass killing.

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I thought the definition was always political. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter, but there seems to be an emerging apolitical group in this country who want to shoot up schools or blow people up for attention or because they feel alienated. Might need their own term.

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there seems to be an emerging apolitical group in this country who want to shoot up schools or blow people up for attention or because they feel alienated. Might need their own term.

http://chicagofanatics.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=10951

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Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.
Why? You asked for one part of the definition. It doesn't mean all killings of more than 1 person is a mass killing.

So. A mass killing is completely subjective in its definition?

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You can't accuse someone of a crime "[X] is a hate crime" and then claim to not be talking about the legal definition. :lol:
Sure you can.

Indiana does not have hate crime laws. If a KKK member were to shoot up a minority church are you saying that I couldn't call it a "hate crime" when discussing with another person and not in a courtroom?


It's the argument that people don't like hate crime laws because it makes it seem like one type of murder is worse than the other? It doesn't mean you can't say that crime wasn't motivated by hate in conservation.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You can't accuse someone of a crime "[X] is a hate crime" and then claim to not be talking about the legal definition. :lol:
Sure you can.

Indiana does not have hate crime laws. If a KKK member were to shoot up a minority church are you saying that I couldn't call it a "hate crime" when discussing with another person and not in a courtroom?


It's the argument that people don't like hate crime laws because it makes it seem like one type of murder is worse than the other? It doesn't mean you can't say that crime wasn't motivated by hate in conservation.


Well there are different types of murders- degrees, (in)voluntary, etc.

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Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.
Why? You asked for one part of the definition. It doesn't mean all killings of more than 1 person is a mass killing.

So. A mass killing is completely subjective in its definition?
There are non-subjective definitions but it's not based solely on number of people who died. For instance, it's not a mass killing when there is a traffic accident that results in multiple deaths.

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there seems to be an emerging apolitical group in this country who want to shoot up schools or blow people up for attention or because they feel alienated. Might need their own term.

http://chicagofanatics.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=10951


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You can't accuse someone of a crime "[X] is a hate crime" and then claim to not be talking about the legal definition. :lol:
Sure you can.

Indiana does not have hate crime laws. If a KKK member were to shoot up a minority church are you saying that I couldn't call it a "hate crime" when discussing with another person and not in a courtroom?


It's the argument that people don't like hate crime laws because it makes it seem like one type of murder is worse than the other? It doesn't mean you can't say that crime wasn't motivated by hate in conservation.
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Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.
Why? You asked for one part of the definition. It doesn't mean all killings of more than 1 person is a mass killing.

So. A mass killing is completely subjective in its definition?

Are you new to English?

I could call you a penis but the definiton of a penis is completely subjective. Rarely anything is black/white.
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This is easily domestic terrorism. Full stop.



I don't know if it is or isn't, but I would suggest that calling an act of violence "terrorism" suggests some sort of political motivation.

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