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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:47 pm 
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Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.
Why? You asked for one part of the definition. It doesn't mean all killings of more than 1 person is a mass killing.

So. A mass killing is completely subjective in its definition?

Are you new to English?

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 Post subject: Re: Austin Bomber
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This is easily domestic terrorism. Full stop.



I don't know if it is or isn't, but I would suggest that calling an act of violence "terrorism" suggests some sort of political motivation.

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You can't accuse someone of a crime "[X] is a hate crime" and then claim to not be talking about the legal definition. :lol:
Sure you can.

Indiana does not have hate crime laws. If a KKK member were to shoot up a minority church are you saying that I couldn't call it a "hate crime" when discussing with another person and not in a courtroom?


You're calling something a "crime". How does it work in your brain that such accusation does not engage the legal definition of the crime? Also, there is a federal hate crime statute.


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 Post subject: Re: Austin Bomber
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
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Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.
Why? You asked for one part of the definition. It doesn't mean all killings of more than 1 person is a mass killing.

So. A mass killing is completely subjective in its definition?
There are non-subjective definitions but it's not based solely on number of people who died. For instance, it's not a mass killing when there is a traffic accident that results in multiple deaths.

A man kills his wife and her friend
A man building a bomb to kill his boss, who lives alone, fucks up and takes out half his apartment building killing 6.
A woman kills her three children then herself.
A woman intends to murder 10 family members by putting mercury in Thanksgiving dinner but only kills 1.
A gang member sprays a front porch with automatic gunfire killing 4 non affiliated 18 year olds having a get together.

Are these all mass murderers?

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 Post subject: Re: Austin Bomber
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Kirkwood wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.
Why? You asked for one part of the definition. It doesn't mean all killings of more than 1 person is a mass killing.

So. A mass killing is completely subjective in its definition?

Are you new to English?

I could call you a penis but the definiton of a penis is completely subjective. Rarely anything is black/white.

Let's say I am new to English.
If we're gonna be calling people mass murderers I'd like to know the criteria so I don't make a mistake

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What is it when a guy Obama knows from the neighborhood blows up a police station?

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 Post subject: Re: Austin Bomber
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What is it when a guy Obama knows from the neighborhood blows up a police station?

There it is!

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I'm so glad Twitter isn't a place where you can find people using the deaths of others to push their various agenda:

He was a terrorist. Why are you mad Twitter is calling him one?


What was the political aim of his bombings?


Elimination of cuckface in all its forms.


I'm starting a GoFundme in his name then

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 Post subject: Re: Austin Bomber
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You're calling something a "crime". How does it work in your brain that such accusation does not engage the legal definition of the crime? Also, there is a federal hate crime statute.
It's because I don't live my life like I am a lawyer in a courtroom?

How about these phrases?
"Terrible crime"
"Justifiable crime"
"Victimless crime"
"Thought crime"
"Unforgivable crime"
"Crime against humanity"

Many of those aren't legal types of crimes either.

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 Post subject: Re: Austin Bomber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:57 pm 
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What is it when a guy Obama knows from the neighborhood blows up a police station?

Pretty sure "pallin around with terrorists" is a phrase I heard once or twice.


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What is it when a guy Obama knows from the neighborhood blows up a police station?

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Darkside wrote:
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Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.
Why? You asked for one part of the definition. It doesn't mean all killings of more than 1 person is a mass killing.

So. A mass killing is completely subjective in its definition?

Are you new to English?

I could call you a penis but the definiton of a penis is completely subjective. Rarely anything is black/white.

Let's say I am new to English.
If we're gonna be calling people mass murderers I'd like to know the criteria so I don't make a mistake



Doesn't the term "mass murderer" suggest a certain type of killer? And it's not a guy who hacks up his family and commits suicide, although that guy has certainly committed a mass murder.

But hey, what do I know? I argued that it was more appropriate to call a guy who was 25 years 345 days old "26" than "25" and most of the board disagreed with me.

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Darkside wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.
Why? You asked for one part of the definition. It doesn't mean all killings of more than 1 person is a mass killing.

So. A mass killing is completely subjective in its definition?

Are you new to English?

I could call you a penis but the definiton of a penis is completely subjective. Rarely anything is black/white.

Let's say I am new to English.
If we're gonna be calling people mass murderers I'd like to know the criteria so I don't make a mistake

well you already have a definition in mind. go ahead with that one. or check with JLN that the one in your head can be used in a courtroom.

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 Post subject: Re: Austin Bomber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:06 pm 
Something to ponder. If Juice and Darko dug their heels in on the opposite side of an issue, how fast would the thread surpass the DiCaro thread in pages?


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If we're gonna be calling people mass murderers I'd like to know the criteria so I don't make a mistake
In general you are safe if these criteria are met:
1) Kills or attempts to kill multiple people.
2) No real motive against the specific people targeted.
3) Planning and care taken prior to the incident.
4) Done on purpose.
5) Not in an official capacity as military or law enforcement and/or self defense.

Now, that won't get all of them, but if you are concerned about making a mistake you can use that list to figure it out if you can say it without making a mistake.

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Something to ponder. If Juice and Darko dug their heels in on the opposite side of an issue, how fast would the thread surpass the DiCaro thread in pages?


I think DS will tap out relatively quickly. It goes three pages, and then DS gets a call for a pilot light job that pays time and half plus travel time.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
If we're gonna be calling people mass murderers I'd like to know the criteria so I don't make a mistake
In general you are safe if these criteria are met:
1) Kills or attempts to kill multiple people.
2) No real motive against the specific people targeted.
3) Planning and care taken prior to the incident.
4) Done on purpose.
5) Not in an official capacity as military or law enforcement and/or self defense.

Now, that won't get all of them, but if you are concerned about making a mistake you can use that list to figure it out if you can say it without making a mistake.


What's a "real motive"? Are there "unreal motives"? "Fake motives"? "a number multiplied by itself which yields negative one motives"?


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the same people insisting this is a terrorist attack will refuse to call BLM a terror group. its not about using the word correctly, its about taking a side.


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Darkside wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Thank you sir. Thats... interesting.
Why? You asked for one part of the definition. It doesn't mean all killings of more than 1 person is a mass killing.

So. A mass killing is completely subjective in its definition?

Are you new to English?

I could call you a penis but the definiton of a penis is completely subjective. Rarely anything is black/white.

Let's say I am new to English.
If we're gonna be calling people mass murderers I'd like to know the criteria so I don't make a mistake



Doesn't the term "mass murderer" suggest a certain type of killer? And it's not a guy who hacks up his family and commits suicide, although that guy has certainly committed a mass murder.

But hey, what do I know? I argued that it was more appropriate to call a guy who was 25 years 345 days old "26" than "25" and most of the board disagreed with me.



A book I read broke down the difference between types of killers.

Serial Killers are your Ted Bundy types who kill multiple people usually one at a time and are your classic sociopath.

Mass Murderers are your Pol Pots and Stalins who kill large numbers of people at one time through state or organized killings or executions.

Spree Killers are your typical school shooters who kill large numbers of people usually occurring over one day.

You could argue the Austin bomber was a serial killer. The DC snipers were classified as serial killers due to the lack of reasons behind it and the cause and manner of multiple deaths spread out. Serial killers have different weapon choices. Bombing could just be this serial killer's MO.

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 Post subject: Re: Austin Bomber
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What's a "real motive"? Are there "unreal motives"? "Fake motives"? "a number multiplied by itself which yields negative one motives"?
You're the worst.

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What's a "real motive"? Are there "unreal motives"? "Fake motives"? "a number multiplied by itself which yields negative one motives"?
You're the worst.


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What's a "real motive"? Are there "unreal motives"? "Fake motives"? "a number multiplied by itself which yields negative one motives"?
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 Post subject: Re: Austin Bomber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:15 pm 
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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What's a "real motive"? Are there "unreal motives"? "Fake motives"? "a number multiplied by itself which yields negative one motives"?
You're the worst.


I learned it by watching YOU.

MANY prefer arguing with BRick.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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What's a "real motive"? Are there "unreal motives"? "Fake motives"? "a number multiplied by itself which yields negative one motives"?
You're the worst.


I learned it by watching YOU.
Seriously though, who cares if I used a superfluous word that doesn't change anything that I said? What was the point of that reply?

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
What's a "real motive"? Are there "unreal motives"? "Fake motives"? "a number multiplied by itself which yields negative one motives"?
You're the worst.


I learned it by watching YOU.

MANY prefer arguing with BRick.


That's because BRick can't close like I can.


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Wouldn't that describe you? Are you not liberal today? From the Polish to people of color no one here focuses more on ethnic groups than you. Sad!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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What's a "real motive"? Are there "unreal motives"? "Fake motives"? "a number multiplied by itself which yields negative one motives"?
You're the worst.


I learned it by watching YOU.
Seriously though, who cares if I used a superfluous word that doesn't change anything that I said? What was the point of that reply?


Because you seem to have created two separate classes of motive, one "real" which leaves the commission of certain crimes as JUST those crimes, and one "anti-Real", which doesn't adequately justify the commission of the underlying crime, and thus qualifies as terrorism.

I think that's dubious at best, but wasnted to know if you could define the classes you had created, or if they were superficial and arbitrary outs you left yourself in the case a set of facts applied to your rules would indicate terrorism where you didn't want it to. Now I know the latter is what you were doing.


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Because you seem to have created two separate classes of motive, one "real" which leaves the commission of certain crimes as JUST those crimes, and one "anti-Real", which doesn't adequately justify the commission of the underlying crime, and thus qualifies as terrorism.
What? What is anti-Real?

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I think that's dubious at best, but wasnted to know if you could define the classes you had created, or if they were superficial and arbitrary outs you left yourself in the case a set of facts applied to your rules would indicate terrorism where you didn't want it to. Now I know the latter is what you were doing.
It was just an extra word that wasn't really needed. All I meant was that they weren't targeting a specific person or people based on some sort of connection to them that caused them to want them specifically to be the victims.

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 Post subject: Re: Austin Bomber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:29 pm 
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
What's a "real motive"? Are there "unreal motives"? "Fake motives"? "a number multiplied by itself which yields negative one motives"?
You're the worst.


I learned it by watching YOU.

MANY prefer arguing with BRick.


That's because BRick can't close like I can.

Then you must not be allowed to drink coffee.


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