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And I've said there have been at most 10 open seats during the 20 years or so of two stations based on that criteria. Goff, Holmes and Hood have all gotten shots. Jiggetts and Van Lier were on for multiple years. There were plenty of white guys who washed out during this time as well. I would say the story is more don't go into radio rather than black guys can't catch a break when one of the most successful has been Dan Jiggetts.
At most 10 open seats? There are 10 local people hosting daytime local sports radio shows right now. There have been far more than 10 open seats during the 20 years or so.

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It's a lazy argument to claim racial bias has prevented black men from having success in sports radio in this market absent any other evidence.
I simply posted the list, besides Van Lier, who once again, no one seems to have accurate timing on either.

It's an incredibly small list especially when you look at the amount of time given to those people on my list. Without knowing the total years of Van Lier, Jason Goff is the second longest running black host in Chicago sports radio. He got three years, including a promotion, and was then taken off the air presumably forever. That's behind Jiggetts, who hasn't been on sports radio in about 15 years.

I just don't understand why this makes you so emotional. Why can't you acknowledge that the amount of time spent in the daytime is pretty low and if someone wants to think that maybe it is a lot tougher than they have solid reasoning to believe so?

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I have a simple question. If a program director can’t tell a program what to do what is their purpose?


A question OFTEN asked by talent.

They have a lot more say at ESPN then they do at The Score. But in the end, ratings and revenue keep you employed unless you are determined to be fired.


Sure but as in your ESPN/Disney example many talkers are not permitted to say many things. Not everyone is Stern to Pig Vomit.


As CH often says, that is due to the growing influence of corporate radio.

But, had B&G done more than just treat people like shit who disagree with them, or talk down to them, or just invite them to leave, their show would still be together.

Radio is in a tough spot. It's why the Wisemen have hired Radio Programmer to look into the whole podcast thing. We are going to be a destination site for sports talk in the very near future.


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I have a simple question. If a program director can’t tell a program what to do what is their purpose?


A question OFTEN asked by talent.

They have a lot more say at ESPN then they do at The Score. But in the end, ratings and revenue keep you employed unless you are determined to be fired.


Sure but as in your ESPN/Disney example many talkers are not permitted to say many things. Not everyone is Stern to Pig Vomit.


As CH often says, that is due to the growing influence of corporate radio.

But, had B&G done more than just treat people like shit who disagree with them, or talk down to them, or just invite them to leave, their show would still be together.

Radio is in a tough spot. It's why the Wisemen have hired Radio Programmer to look into the whole podcast thing. We are going to be a destination site for sports talk in the very near future.
Is this why I was asked to take a massive paycut?

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Yet no one cries for poor Drinky who wasn’t even allowed one shot . Jason Goff “ deserves “ to be heard though.

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Not saying that Goff isn't responsible for his dismissal but how do you expect him to react? He has a young child that may have medical issues and once this contract runs out (in 18 months or less) it is unlikely that he will ever be able to make this type of money in radio ever again. What other experience does he have? How differently would some of you all react? I've seen folks react far worse in the past couple of days because Rick disagreed with them.

Spiegel was screwed IMO but he just signed a new deal that is probably good for 3 years. That gives him a little bit of security. That likely changes the way he would react.



Spiegel was screwed so to speak.

But one of my guys tells me that there were more than one or two requests made to B&G over the last three months to change the tone of the show, and those requests were repeatedly rebuffed. I don't believe that either one ever thought that they would be moved out of that slot.


That's interesting. It's a question I asked a couple of days ago. Were they told to change? I guess the answer is "Yes". Goff said "No". Which is fine to have principle and conviction. But in a couple of months, Goff is probably gonna think it's better to have afternoon drive in the 3rd biggest city.


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Yet no one cries for poor Drinky who wasn’t even allowed one shot . Jason Goff “ deserves “ to be heard though.


Drinky just moves up wombs, he doesn't move souls.

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Yet no one cries for poor Drinky who wasn’t even allowed one shot . Jason Goff “ deserves “ to be heard though.
It's not about any one individual. It's the general trend. As I said, people in general think Laurence is good. No second shot. People always talk about how good Hood is. No second shot after waiting for years. Now Goff is supposedly gone for good while people speculate Spiegel is just sitting on the bench for a little bit before he gets another shot.

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Before we accept Seacrest's intel as fact, can he verify that it didn't come from his Chiropractor that claims you can cure cancer with deep breathing?

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How many guys have gotten multiple chances at the Score besides Mac and Murph? (I'm not even sure Murph left the Score between Murph & Fred and his noon-2 show, he may have just been doing evenings again.) North was there for 16 years, Terry was there for 25, Hanley for 26 on and off, Dan's been there for 22, there hasn't been a great deal of churn up and down the lineup. The black guys who get gone do stay gone, but it seems like so does everyone else who goes.

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I have a simple question. If a program director can’t tell a program what to do what is their purpose?


A question OFTEN asked by talent.

They have a lot more say at ESPN then they do at The Score. But in the end, ratings and revenue keep you employed unless you are determined to be fired.


Sure but as in your ESPN/Disney example many talkers are not permitted to say many things. Not everyone is Stern to Pig Vomit.


As CH often says, that is due to the growing influence of corporate radio.

But, had B&G done more than just treat people like shit who disagree with them, or talk down to them, or just invite them to leave, their show would still be together.

Radio is in a tough spot. It's why the Wisemen have hired Radio Programmer to look into the whole podcast thing. We are going to be a destination site for sports talk in the very near future.
Is this why I was asked to take a massive paycut?


You were NOT asked to take a pay cut.

But RP was promised that he DID NOT have to interact with you.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I have a simple question. If a program director can’t tell a program what to do what is their purpose?


A question OFTEN asked by talent.

They have a lot more say at ESPN then they do at The Score. But in the end, ratings and revenue keep you employed unless you are determined to be fired.


Sure but as in your ESPN/Disney example many talkers are not permitted to say many things. Not everyone is Stern to Pig Vomit.


As CH often says, that is due to the growing influence of corporate radio.

But, had B&G done more than just treat people like shit who disagree with them, or talk down to them, or just invite them to leave, their show would still be together.

Radio is in a tough spot. It's why the Wisemen have hired Radio Programmer to look into the whole podcast thing. We are going to be a destination site for sports talk in the very near future.
Is this why I was asked to take a massive paycut?


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How many guys have gotten multiple chances at the Score besides Mac and Murph? (I'm not even sure Murph left the Score between Murph & Fred and his noon-2 show, he may have just been doing evenings again.) North was there for 16 years, Terry was there for 25, Hanley for 26 on and off, Dan's been there for 22, there hasn't been a great deal of churn up and down the lineup. The black guys who get gone do stay gone, but it seems like so does everyone else who goes.


I guess the only difference is Goff is relatively young compared to those other guys when they got killed. Hood was young too.

Murph was only fired once. They bounced him around for a while before B&B eventually had him fired.

Goff will get a Sirius basketball show like he had before. But that's probably a 60% pay cut from what he had in afternoon drive in Chicago. And had Goff had success he would have gotten a raises through the years.

Goff probably could got market hunting and do shows in other cities. But that will be tougher now that he's been fired twice. And he got fired quickly in both spots. Plus he's got a lady and a baby so bouncing around other cities is tougher. The lady might tell him no more of that shit.


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And I've said there have been at most 10 open seats during the 20 years or so of two stations based on that criteria. Goff, Holmes and Hood have all gotten shots. Jiggetts and Van Lier were on for multiple years. There were plenty of white guys who washed out during this time as well. I would say the story is more don't go into radio rather than black guys can't catch a break when one of the most successful has been Dan Jiggetts.
At most 10 open seats? There are 10 local people hosting daytime local sports radio shows right now. There have been far more than 10 open seats during the 20 years or so.

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It's a lazy argument to claim racial bias has prevented black men from having success in sports radio in this market absent any other evidence.
I simply posted the list, besides Van Lier, who once again, no one seems to have accurate timing on either.

It's an incredibly small list especially when you look at the amount of time given to those people on my list. Without knowing the total years of Van Lier, Jason Goff is the second longest running black host in Chicago sports radio. He got three years, including a promotion, and was then taken off the air presumably forever. That's behind Jiggetts, who hasn't been on sports radio in about 15 years.

I just don't understand why this makes you so emotional. Why can't you acknowledge that the amount of time spent in the daytime is pretty low and if someone wants to think that maybe it is a lot tougher than they have solid reasoning to believe so?


No one is being emotional. So just stop with that as a debate tactic. It's petty and stupid. Here is how I am defining ten spots two afternoon drive, to mid-day and one morning. How many of those seats have been open in the past 20 years? This is an extremely small sample size. Most of the original hosts stuck around for a long time.

Goff had his chance in two different spots. When he was on the big time he could not beat out a weak show that you cannot stand in the ratings. Do we need to implement a quota system? Does the government need to step in? What's your solution?

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How many guys have gotten multiple chances at the Score besides Mac and Murph? (I'm not even sure Murph left the Score between Murph & Fred and his noon-2 show, he may have just been doing evenings again.) North was there for 16 years, Terry was there for 25, Hanley for 26 on and off, Dan's been there for 22, there hasn't been a great deal of churn up and down the lineup. The black guys who get gone do stay gone, but it seems like so does everyone else who goes.
After a failed show the number is larger and includes guys like Bernstein along with Carmen and Jurko. Wasn't there some terrible Harry and Spike show too before MJH?

Who had the afternoon show before B&B?

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Wasn't it the Telander Abortion in afternoons before B&B?

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Wasn't it the Telander Abortion in afternoons before B&B?


That lasted like two weeks.

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Wasn't it the Telander Abortion in afternoons before B&B?

The history of The Score article really ignores a ton of things.

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I have a simple question. If a program director can’t tell a program what to do what is their purpose?


A question OFTEN asked by talent.

They have a lot more say at ESPN then they do at The Score. But in the end, ratings and revenue keep you employed unless you are determined to be fired.


Sure but as in your ESPN/Disney example many talkers are not permitted to say many things. Not everyone is Stern to Pig Vomit.


As CH often says, that is due to the growing influence of corporate radio.

But, had B&G done more than just treat people like shit who disagree with them, or talk down to them, or just invite them to leave, their show would still be together.

Radio is in a tough spot. It's why the Wisemen have hired Radio Programmer to look into the whole podcast thing. We are going to be a destination site for sports talk in the very near future.


Alrighty then. I am sure the WWE cast will do huge numbers.


My guy said it's going to be HUGE.

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Telander show, before that was Hood and Buffone, before that was North and Buffone.

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Wow, Goff threatens people like he posts here!


Yeah, but you're not a radio star. So what do you know about anything?

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With threats like that, Goff can work at DCFS

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You have to dig through your inbox to find facebook messages from people who aren't your friends or friends of friends. So either Jason is a few degrees of separation from the racist jeweler of Palos Park or he checks his spam folder every day.

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