Lead singer in a Green Day cover band and pederast.

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Perhaps, but there was a shit ton of hand wringing about dipshit college kids going (equally) hyperbolic about their desire to restrict his constitutional rights. Or annoyance given the circumstances.

But I'm puzzled by the vitriol aimed at this kid. Or his media coverage in this day and age.

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Which vitriol are you referring to? Seems most people just think he's full of shit. No one wishes him ill will.

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Calling a kid who had his school shot up by a wannabe fascist ammosexual an immature attention whoring asshole who is full of shit seems a bit vitriolic, no?

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Most Americans live in places with underwhelming public schools where the students are inarticulate and kind of dumb. Now, being presented with a group of kids (in part self-selecting but certainly not without some casting guidance from CNN) from a very wealthy school district where theatre and forensics are not only still there in the first place but taken very seriously, people cross-check the teenagers from practically Boca with the flyoverland teenagers they know, and unsure what to make of kids so far outside the norm, assume they must be paid actors or false flags or something.

But on top of that, I would say that they are unusually brash. And I get a lot of that, because they were almost murdered in their high school and I wasn't, but when you get this glowering little boy telling everyone that he understands representative democracy while the rest of us don't, and he can't even vote yet, it not only isn't the best way to slap up a coalition, but it makes active and engaged enemies of the people he's going after, who can vote, and do so much more reliably than the young people who can. I hope the march goes fantastically well and then he takes a well-earned vacation.

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No. Not really. Are you saying it's impossible for anyone at that school to be an attention whoring asshole?
And your vitriol is not lost on me either, Reader.

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What CH said, and then please read the first page of this thread. It's a bit overwrought imo.

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A valid opinion.
I'd disagree.
He's not just going against guns. Were that the case perhaps I'd be more sympathetic to his cause given his recent traumatic experience. But he's not just doing that. He's getting on a bunch of hot topic causes. And that reeks, to me, of opportunistic bullshit.
When this dude lost credibility with me was when he claimed this was his likes ambition... activism. He wants to be doing it in 10 years he said. Not that he wants his goal accomplished, mind you, no... he wants to be an activist. Of what? Whatever he can be. Whatever is a topic of the day.
He comes off as extremely disingenuous.
Now of the theoretical Florida shooting victim 2nd amendment supporter that baby thought didn't exist but actually did (unfortunately for baby mac)... it's a bit sad to me none of you heard of him. He never fit the agenda. Or... maybe he's not being an opportunistic attention whoring asshole.
What's the lesson here? You have to be an attention whoring asshole to get your message across or to get your message across requires you to be an attention whoring asshole?

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Guys,

He's a 17-18 year old kid. Of course he is going to go full bore. If he heard the shots, saw the bodies or just heard 1st party accounts his five week later reaction my be over the top. It's reasonable. I really don't think that many of your responses are.

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Which response was unreasonable in your opinion?

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God I heard gunshots, saw bodies and heard first hand accounts of murder growing up in Chicago. So did you. Do you obsess about that and act like some grave injustice was done to you because you didn't have the pure childhood you were promised? Boo fucking hoo, get over it.

This little burrito had his bubble get shattered for 15 minutes out of his entire life and now's he's leading his crusade like he knows better. What's worse is he genuinely seems to delight in the attention and status this had brought him. There is more than a little anti social tendency to him.

I think that a thread calling a 17 year old kid who hasn't hurt anyone, and is emotionally responding to that massacre is pretty unreasonable, not to mention all of the gleeful seconds.

At least leash is primarily offended by the media coverage and not the kid.

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You genuinely revel in the attention you seek in being a troll after your $5 frauds failed, and from seven time zones away no less. That's worse by every metric.

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He's 18, hes a legal adult in most legal regards and he may be hurting people, you simply don't agree that because he's not himself imposing physical harm on someone specific that he's not harming people. If you think our reactions to his reactions are unreasonable, meaning some are entitled to have reactions and others aren't, I'm not sure we could reach an accord on this topic.
I appreciate, as always, your candor and responses.

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Is it? He's not trying to change any anyone's way of life is he?

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We can agree to disagree on this, fair enough. But it's pointless to respond further about the French poster.

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Word.

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No there isn't.

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So far I've seen this little burrito with the earing and the make up talk about gun control, white privilege, gerrymandering, and lowering the voting age. Yeah buddy that's his own thoughts. That little burrito got his own Twitter checkmark. That little burrito is going to be a millionaire.

Get your media coverage for nothing and your retweets for free.

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I don't find Kyle Kashuv as overbearing, but then, he isn't trying to eliminate one of my Constitutional rights. Still, I find it hard to believe that there aren't adults behind both of these kids when you look at their methods and the skill with which they manipulate the media. But maybe they're just naturals.

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I'm certain that there are plenty of adults behind this, but to be honest we've also spent 18 months talking about how a sizable portion of voting age adults were manipulated by the cynical supporters of a walking cantaloupe. And how it didn't take much.

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They're both open to criticism as public figures. Period. There is a difference worth mentioning, though, and that's that Hogg is the activist. He is the one trying to enact change. The other kid is reacting to that.

But don't act like people are mean or wrong for calling out an 18-year-old who is actively campaigning to take away one of people's rights and is doing so in such a condescending manner. His experience was awful, but it gives him no better argument than anyone else. One of my friend's dad died of heart disease when we were young, but I didn't seek out his advice on cardiovascular health.

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The change is movement to fixing this completely fucked up/warped interpretation of the 2nd amendment. People threw rocks at Jesus....spit at Benjamin Frankin..and wiretapped MLK Jr. Let's be on the right side of history here.

Anytime you use the phrase "right side of history," the condescension to persuasiveness ratio is too high.

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I'm perfectly comfortable in my position.

But it seems to me that he would have special insights many of us could use.

And this notion of being offended by their "condescension" really doesn't sound that different than many of those offended by the "arrogance" of the BLM kids who some countered with "all lives matter ". Or the belittling the Women's Marches by claiming that they were emotional, unfocused and driven by manipulative behind the scenes groups.

There just always seems to be cynical and empty sniping by MANY to ANY protests of the status quo. Especially by "others"

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What special insights? Because his school was shot up? That gives him exactly zero special insight over anyone else. It makes him a sympathetic figure. That's it.

And if people you mention don't want to come off as condescending, the solution is simple... don't be condescending. Don't say dumb shit about accepting the apologies of past generations... the same generations that allowed him to live a life so privileged that at age 18, he can go on national TV and blather about issues which he clearly has very little knowledge of.

I don't know what your reference to "others" means. Maybe you can clarify.

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I think the situation is akin the the 60s...I, as someone that is for more efficient gun regulations, is akin to the man standing up for African Americans back then.....now back then, a person like myself would be viewed as condescending, and it's almost impossible not to be, when you are one of the people that can see the "forest through the trees"..if you know what I mean, but 20 years from now, people will actually look at me and apologize and say, "dude, you weren't condensing, you were just on the right side of history and we were on the wrong side"..

That is literally the most condescending post I've ever read on the topic.

If you meant to do that, well done, though.

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