Cell phones don't kill people. People kill people. Instead of banning cell phones lets work more on finding the root cause of why that person chose to text and drive. Taking away the tool won't save any lives at all.

It's about going after people's guns while saying "nobody is coming for your gun".

According to the CDC, 94% of teens know it's wrong to text and drive but over 70% do it anyway. They cannot be controlled even with education
Listen you cellularsexuals can compensate for your inadequacies with larger data plans all you want but I just want to save lives. If Verizon and sprint can live with teenage blood on their hands they have to be controlled.

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My gun douche guy tells me that impromptu suburban commando exercises broke out @ Fetzner Park today to intimidate any potential child protesters.

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Bummer.

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It doesn't matter what kind of statistics you can show me. This is mental health issue. Maybe instead of taking their phones away we should have their classmates walk up and be nice to them. Then they won't text and drive

It's so cute when you're frightened!

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I mean, I guess I'll bite on this one:

Are you equating shooting people with texting people?
Because...those school shooters, they are definitely trying to shoot people.
And those teen texters you reference....they are definitely trying to text people.
Kids text in their high schools every single day, millions of times. They don't kill anybody.
But when they shoot people in their high schools, their kill rates are much higher. I don't have the data ready to me, but I'm pretty comfortable in saying that.

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Sorry sweetie. I know you're just a kid, but that line of BS has been disproven since the early 90's

Can we get some data that compares driving and texting people vs driving and shooting people?

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Was this an attempt at satire?
Woof.

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It's funny how fucking dumb yours lines sound when they are spewed back at you isn't it?

There's no equation here. The only thing that's equal is dead kids.
Texting while driving takes the lives of over 3800 teens a year.
It can be stopped by taking away the privilege of teens to have cells until they're 21 or taking away their keys until they're 21.
Whether they mean to kill people or themselves is irreverent. They're still dead. And its preventable. And its preventable without any possible constitutional abuses. There are no rights to cars. There's no rights to cell phones.
All it's really about is saving lives.
11 lives a day. Think about that. Since the shooting at parkland 420 or more teens were killed texting and driving.

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Maybe but you're doing it all wrong.

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Baby mac.. since valentines day 19 dead at school shootings including one perp.

Over 420 cell phone texting deaths.

400 or more killed by cell phones than guns.

Cell phone companies and their advocates have this blood on their hands.

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Oh. In that case I agree.

Drivers of all ages kill way more than teens or guns do. We should get rid of driving. Let's set up a march or something.
I'll bring the donuts.

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Then how should I be doing it to your satisfaction? Obviously using the same feeble crap the gun people spew isn't working for ya. Should I spank you with a magazine with you on the cover? Just trying to find things that will turn right wingers on.

People will just find ways to text and drive anyway. There is no point in trying to restrict texting and driving. Criminals will always find a way to break the law.

Why is it ok to kill kids with cars? Why would that be considered acceptable losses? How many kids have to die, especially something preventable like using cell phones while driving before we say "enough. Enough dead kids."
Or is 3800 dead kids just the cost of the freedom to finger fuck your cell while you drive?

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But if you ban the phones, you'll have less of them out there. Even if it saves one life it's worth it.

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I'm all for it. And if they pass a law requiring their phones to become disabled except for bluetooth voice calls only when the car is in motion I'm sure they will follow that law. Until that feature is forced onto phones, kids will do what they damn well please. There is no way to stop it.

You fancy yourself a Responsible Gun Owner. Would you agree that the NRA under Wayne LaPierre has moved from encouraging responsible gun ownership to a lobbying force for 2nd-amendment absolutism contrary to the reponsible gun ownership the group was founded on? I mean, this looks like a classic rightward Overton shift. No one on the right was for guns like the AR-15 being plentiful and readily available to civilians until the rise of this sick ride-or-die NRA.

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Yes and no. I'm happy the nra files and supports some suits that are important. If not for the nra Heller and McDonald probably never see the scotus.
But it would be nice if the nra did what they were founded to do... promote safety, marksmanship, sportsmanship and then, with any remaining free time support the rights of their members and the rest of Americans.
The primary goal remains safety and marksmanship. Were you a member you'd probably understand that. However their most public face has become what you're saying, though it's a bit of a false perception. You probably haven't been to training courses, as I have, that are written and funded by the nra.
You dont typically strike me as someone who is susceptible to propaganda and the suggestions of the media, a bit of time at a range or at safety or marksmanship classes would show you what the nra does other than their advocacy arm.

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How can they text and drive if you dont give them licenses until they're 21?

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I'm trying to cut back on this (useless) posting stuff, but I'll finish with this:

You're equating (and you know this, yet I still don't get it) a kid causing an accident by texting his friend about getting pizza, with a kid acquiring a high powered gun and devising a plan to intentionally murder people in their school because he's pissed off at them.

If that somehow is somewhat the same in your mind.....ok, I guess....but you're also making it equal to accidentally running a red light, looking at a distraction on the side of the road, etc.

But you know that's not the same. I guarantee 100% you'd never shoot me on purpose, but if you did, that'd be your fault. But would you also kill a dozen of my classmates because you were trying to kill me?
However, I can't guarantee you'd never accidentally pull in front of me while driving because you're distracted. That wouldn't mean you meant to kill me. Or especially a dozen of my classmates.

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I dont see intents being relevant when the end result is the same. Hell it's not the same... intentional harm results in a fraction of "accidental" deaths from driving and texting.
I mean a drunk driver didn't mean to kill that family. Right? But the family is still at room temperature. Does that make it better? I dont think so.
I'd argue that texting while driving is NOT an accident. Much like killing someone drunk driving isn't an accident. It's a crime. And its punished with prison. It's a homicide. Just like killing someone texting is.

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All I need in this life of guns is me and my AR15
Down to ride till the very end it's me and my 2A
All I need in this life of sin is me and my detachable magazine
Down to ride till the very end it's me and my Glock

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What I mean by that is that were you to be exposed to more of what the nra does, which you dont really ever do, instead of just going by what you hear on TV, I wonder if your statement would be different.
The nra isn't just an PAC.
But you are right, in a way, and you do make an excellent point. I'd go so far as to say current leadership is really poor at media relations and it's not helping their public image. I'd support a change in leadership big time.

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Please rename this thread "intent doesn't matter". That's what this comes down to, really.

Lots of accidental deaths should be re-tried, I guess.

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