Chicago Fanatics Message Board • View topic - Current crop of players

View unanswered posts | View active topics

Board index » CHICAGO AND NATIONAL TEAMS » NBA

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]

Current crop of players - Who's going to the HOF?

Page 1 of 2

[ 59 posts ]

Go to page 1, 2 Next

Print view

Previous topic | Next topic

Author

Message

Apologist

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:42 pm

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:23 pm
Posts: 7415
Location: Liquor in the front, Poker in the rear
pizza_Place: Lou's, Pequod's

I would not put Vinc-anity on the lock category. In fact, were i to have a vote, i would exclude him from my ballot.

Edit: Nor Ray Allen in the lock category.

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

Top

Bagels

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:44 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32114
pizza_Place: Milano's

Wow, really getting ahead ourselves, eh?

This is funny- on NBA TV a few weeks ago they had a segment on their highlight show with that ass Rick Kamla and an even bigger ass, Pete Vescey. The segment was about just this- who currently playing would make the HoF. Vescey was being a total jerk and wouldn't go along with the segment, every name that was brought up he'd make mention of Penny Hardaway, about how after the 1st couple years he'd be in the HoF, until he fell apart

Anyway,
On your locks list, I pretty much agree with everyone except Carter and Allen

Your highly probable list looks decent, not sure I'd go with Carmelo or Stoudemire though

The last list is a total crapshoot...Josh Howard? Are you serious?

Top

FavreFan

Post subject: Re: Current crop of players - Who's going to the HOF?

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:46 pm

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72543
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis

Keeping Score wrote:

Piggybacking on some other discussions around here as of late.....

Aside from how great the regular season has been, and the fantastic playoff race that is occurring, and the almost sure to be off the charts playoffs that are nearly upon us, have we ever seen this much talent on the courts in one season?

How many of these guys are going to make the NBA Hall of Fame one day?

LOCKS
1. Shaquille O'Neal
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Tim Duncan
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Jason Kidd
6. Allen Iverson
7. Steve Nash

HIGHLY PROBABLE
10. Lebron James
11. Dwyane Wade
12. Dwight Howard
13. Chris Paul
14. Dirk Nowitzki
15. Tracy McGrady
16. Paul Pierce
17. Carmelo Anthony
18. Amare Stoutemire

Possible
19. Yao Ming
21. Deron Williams
22. Elton Brand
25. Rasheed Wallace
26. Chauncey Billups
27. Carlos Boozer
30. Baron Davis

Fixed it for you. No way Vince Carter makes the HOF at the pace hes on right now. Im not sure Jesus Shuttlesworth gets in either.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Top

Bagels

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:47 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32114
pizza_Place: Milano's

As good as Billups and Rasheed are, I can't ever see them making it either

Top

FavreFan

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:47 pm

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72543
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis

A for effort, D for results, KS.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Top

FavreFan

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:48 pm

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72543
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis

Bagels wrote:

As good as Billups and Rasheed are, I can't ever see them making it either

It would definitely take another title or two with Detroit. Unfortunately I dont know if Rasheed's numbers will let him get in, but I definitely think he deserves it in terms of impact. An unbelievably talented player.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Top

Bulldog Scott

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:58 pm

Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:59 pm
Posts: 3422
Location: Candyland

your top 6 are locks. I don't think Vince, Nash, or Jesus are locks by any stretch.

_________________
"Tubby? Oh yes, Tubby."

Top

FavreFan

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:00 pm

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72543
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis

Keeping Score wrote:

Vince Carter:

NBA Rookie of the Year - 1999
8 Time NBA All Star
Currently at 16,504 Pts.....staying on the low side of his career averages, and considering he's 31......let's say he scores 1500 pts a season for the next 7 seasons....he would be at 27004 when he's 38.....which would make him the 7th leading scorer of all time in NBA history.

He's a lock if he stays healthy my friends.

There is absolutely no way he is averaging close to 20 ppg when hes 38. Id be willing to bet he wont play an NBA game at that age.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Top

Bagels

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:01 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32114
pizza_Place: Milano's

No one will ever forget him quitting on the Raptors

Top

FavreFan

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:01 pm

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72543
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis

Bulldog Scott wrote:

your top 6 are locks. I don't think Vince, Nash, or Jesus are locks by any stretch.

I dont see how Nash doesnt get in with what he has done with Phoenix, plus having a solid career before that. If he plays at a high level two more seasons, hes in, and hes definitely in if they win a championship. Back to Back MVP's is pretty rare in the NBA.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Top

sportsfan

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:03 pm

1000 CLUB

Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:09 pm
Posts: 3944

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PPhbHMaf7k

Top

Bagels

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:07 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32114
pizza_Place: Milano's

Keeping Score wrote:

Nash also will finish in the Top 5 All Time for Assists, Top 5 All time for FT%, and shoots just a ridiculous FG% for a point guard.

He's so in.

I'm with you there. He's in for sure. The MVP's sealed it

Top

Apologist

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:07 pm

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:23 pm
Posts: 7415
Location: Liquor in the front, Poker in the rear
pizza_Place: Lou's, Pequod's

Yea, anyone that ruins various Managerial regimes and gets coaches fired should not be HOF worthy.

Rasheed at least has the argument that he may have helped to foster in an evolution of a position with the mobile,
shot-blocking, perimeter shooting big man the rage in the current NBA.

*edit-- this was re: Vince Carter

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

Top

FavreFan

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:09 pm

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72543
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis

Apologist wrote:

Rasheed at least has the argument that he may have helped to foster in an evolution of a position with the mobile,
shot-blocking, perimeter shooting big man the rage in the current NBA.

Not to mention he's been one of the best post defenders around for a decade, and is one of the smartest basketball players in the league.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Top

Apologist

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:12 pm

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:23 pm
Posts: 7415
Location: Liquor in the front, Poker in the rear
pizza_Place: Lou's, Pequod's

How about guys who would have been locks had they played earlier/ longer:

Arvydas Sabonis
Sarunis Marcialonus

arguably, Drazen Petrovic

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

Top

The Original Kid Cairo

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:17 pm

Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:38 pm
Posts: 39560
Location: Barfagloggle, Indiana
pizza_Place: Pizza Hut

Apologist wrote:

Drazen Petrovic

Petrovic was just starting to reach his potential in the NBA when he died. Great player. He was the prototype of the rugged European players like Ginobili and Nocioni. If he could've gotten some playing time before reaching the Nets, he would've had a chance to establish himself.

_________________
Kid Cairo's Boers & Bernstein YouTube Channel

Kid Cairo: 2013 March Madness Tournament Winner!

"Cowabunga? Cowa fucking piece of dog shit! This game is diarrhea coming out of my dick!"

Top

FavreFan

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:22 pm

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72543
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis

Keeping Score wrote:

Apologist wrote:

I would not put Vinc-anity on the lock category. In fact, were i to have a vote, i would exclude him from my ballot.

Edit: Nor Ray Allen in the lock category.

I didn't think at first that Ray Ray belonged in the "LOCK" category.
But he does.

Ray Allen is an 8 time NBA All Star.

Ray Allen is currently 2nd to only Reggie Miller in All-Time 3 Pointers Attempted and Made.

Ray Allen is 32. Let's give him 5 more years, at a very, very low 1200 pts per season, Ray Ray will be at 24, 186 career points,,,,,,which would land him 16th in All-Time Scoring.

He's in folks

Possibly, if he wins a title or two with Boston. And your math is off a bit if you think Ray Ray is gonna be scoring 1200 points at the ages of 36 and 37. Thats 14.6 ppg, I dont see it when hes that old. His knees are already starting to give. Remember how quickly Gary Payton aged?

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Top

Bagels

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:24 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32114
pizza_Place: Milano's

Apologist wrote:

How about guys who would have been locks had they played earlier/ longer:

Arvydas Sabonis
Sarunis Marcialonus

arguably, Drazen Petrovic

I don't know if Marcillounuoouous (i'll never spell that right so screw it) would have been a HoF player...he was great, sure, but I thought of him more like a 6th man type

He could really score though

Top

Bagels

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:24 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32114
pizza_Place: Milano's

Remember how every national game Portland played, how the announcers would constantly remind us how awesome Sabonis was before his knees gave out?

Top

FavreFan

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:30 pm

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72543
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis

Keeping Score wrote:

What the hell Farve Man. You think Vince carter and Ray Allen are going to die tomorrow or something?

No, but I dont think Vince will be in the league at 38, and I certainly dont see Ray throwing down 14.6 ppg after the age of 35.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Top

Apologist

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:42 pm

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:23 pm
Posts: 7415
Location: Liquor in the front, Poker in the rear
pizza_Place: Lou's, Pequod's

I wish basketball had a +/- stat like hockey.

I don't know, i watch these games with some of these "superstars" and the on court benefit to the team doesn't add up... keep in mind people seem to like roleplayers like Havlicek and Russell.

I mean if it's strictly career numbers, is Terry Cummings hall-worthy?

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

Top

The Original Kid Cairo

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:44 pm

Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:38 pm
Posts: 39560
Location: Barfagloggle, Indiana
pizza_Place: Pizza Hut

Apologist wrote:

That goes in line with a comment I made yesterday about Carmelo Anthony. The guy can flat-out fill it up offensively but personally I don't think he'll ever make a team better unless he changes his approach to the game. Unless that happens, forget about a HOF for him.

Top

FavreFan

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:51 pm

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72543
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis

KS, you are too numbers oriented. Who has had a better career, Vince Carter or Rasheed Wallace?

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Top

Bagels

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:51 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32114
pizza_Place: Milano's

There is a +/- category...it's on the box scores in Yahoo

I don't think ESPN shows it

Top

Apologist

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:55 pm

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:23 pm
Posts: 7415
Location: Liquor in the front, Poker in the rear
pizza_Place: Lou's, Pequod's

Cool, have to check that out.

I mean, it's not all winning or being a model citizen, but it certainly isnt all numbers either.

The flipside re: the winning argument is, if it was based solely on that, Robert Horry would be in the Hall immeditely upon retirement :lol:

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

Top

Bagels

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:08 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32114
pizza_Place: Milano's

As an aside, I think it's kind of weird how it's just the "Basketball Hall Of Fame", and that the NBA doesn't just have its own HoF

And hey, if Dick Vitale can get in for "contributions to the game", maybe Big Shot Rob can :lol:

Top

FavreFan

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:20 pm

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72543
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis

Keeping Score wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

KS, you are too numbers oriented. Who has had a better career, Vince Carter or Rasheed Wallace?

Who you crappin farve Fan - you ALWAYS use stats to support your arguments....i.e. Chris Paul and many others.....

Plus you're white.

Slow your roll young man.

You're not, and haven't been the only one watching the league around here.

Young'n

Actually I try to avoid using stats as a basis for an argument. I think Chris Paul is the best PG in the league because he routinely outplays everyone he faces except Deron Williams, for some reason that dude has his number.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Top

Bulldog Scott

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:23 pm

Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:59 pm
Posts: 3422
Location: Candyland

Keeping Score wrote:

Sorry, I took "Locks" to mean if their career ended today, would they be locks for the Hall of Fame, not if they continued on the current career pace, would they be HOFers. If that was the case, then Lebron is a LOCK. Still not sure about Ray Allen.

_________________
"Tubby? Oh yes, Tubby."

Top

FavreFan

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:24 pm

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72543
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis

Bulldog Scott wrote:

Keeping Score wrote:

LeBron is without a doubt a lock unless he gets a career ending injury in the near future. Ditto for Chris Paul.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Top

Bulldog Scott

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:36 pm

Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:59 pm
Posts: 3422
Location: Candyland

Keeping Score wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

KS, you are too numbers oriented. Who has had a better career, Vince Carter or Rasheed Wallace?

I'm with FF on this one. I think Hall of Famers have to pass the "eye test". While watching Ray Allen play, I never thought to myself, "this guy is a lock for the HOF." That counts for something. Maybe he's like the Raffy Palmeiro of the NBA...compiled nice numbers in relative obscurity.

_________________
"Tubby? Oh yes, Tubby."

Top

Page 1 of 2

[ 59 posts ]

Go to page 1, 2 Next

Current crop of players - Who's going to the HOF?

Who is online