That's not true. Many die every day because they brought their cell to school and couldn't resist texting along the way.

The beautiful thing about banning 16 to 21 year olds from having cell phones and privledges to drive is that these are not rights guaranteed anywhere! We're not having to change the constitution to do this. We can just act on it and save almost four thousand lives every year! Think about that 4000!
We're not taking away Jimmy's Buick. We dont want Imus not hatch. They can keep those and rub them with a diaper and tell them how hot they are all they want and no one will care.
This is only for the children. Just the babies who are leaving pools of blood on the streets of America because they didn't stop and pull over to send a text.
I dont want to see a pool of teenager blood on the streets and know I could have done something to prevent that. Do you?

If they got their cellphone to school I'd pretty much guarantee they didn't kill anyone on the way.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Ok. Like I said they do significantly more than what you hear about on tv.

Something tells me you're not really a former member. And I'm pretty sure I wasn't talking to you in this exchange.

Anyway to answer the question ch posted yeah I think the current leadership is fucking up.

Once again, the cell phone idea is stupid.

Banning or severely restricting driving until you are 21 is a good idea.

I don't think this thread is going as well as you think it is.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

You'll get a laugh out of this, but to get certain discounts, I actually was an NRA member in 91-92 as well. It used to be fairly milquetoast back then iirc.

Banning or severely restricting driving until you are 21 is a good idea.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

I'm glad we've moved past the fallacy of reasonable gun owners. For a few days there, I thought I was wrong about gun owners being nuts.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Ok. Like I said they do significantly more than what you hear about on tv.

Something tells me you're not really a former member. And I'm pretty sure I wasn't talking to you in this exchange.

Anyway to answer the question ch posted yeah I think the current leadership is fucking up.

we really should do everything we can to protect the lives of these children.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

What I mean by that is that were you to be exposed to more of what the nra does, which you dont really ever do, instead of just going by what you hear on TV, I wonder if your statement would be different.

Agree. This includes limiting what kind of guns people can buy and who can buy them.

Could you share with the class what positives the NRA "does" to outweigh their MANY brilliant advocacy positions like arming teachers and concealed carry reciprocity?

Perhaps it's the NRA's own problem their radical advocacy is more publicized than their programs for recreationists/enthusiasts?

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

If you see a firearm safety class or program it's almost certainly written or funded by the nra.

Agree. This includes limiting what kind of guns people can buy and who can buy them.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Which in turn is funded by the people. After 80% of those funds are used on parties or lobbying, it is good that the remaining 20% is used towards benefits for the members. I guess.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Did you make up those numbers?

That's not what we're doing here? The stats you've provided from the initial post in this thread come from an article that also has 3,154 people total dying from all distraction related crashes. If 3,154 people of all ages die in one year from all distraction related crashes, how do 4,015 'teens-only' die in 'texting while driving' only crashes?

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Dude I'm not here to defend the nra. I really dont care one way or another about them. However their positives are in training programs, marksmanship programs and tons of safety programs. If you see a firearm safety class or program it's almost certainly written or funded by the nra.
But again I agree their political arm is getting a bit loud.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

At this point, calling LaPierre a "political arm" is in bad faith, as that extremist lobbying is the front-and-center heart and soul of the NRA, not some adjunct.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

The source for those numbers said 11 a day on average.
Let's say its half that. 5 teen deaths a day from texting while driving.
Is that an acceptable number of teenagers killed? We dont need to do anything to stop that?

We do. Teenagers break the rules of the road and get their licenses revoked until they are adults. Teenagers have more severe punishments than adults when it comes to violations. Driving privilege laws can be emulated when looking to regulate guns owned by 18-20 year olds. Example:

Illinois law: Cell phone use while driving including a hands free device, is prohibited for drivers under age 19, except in the case of an emergency.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Ok. So the nra sucks.
Extreme lobbying.. do they lobby more than the pharmacoms or other pacs?

But the topic here isn't the pharmacoms or other pacs. It's about restricting teenagers access to cars or to cell phones. This will save lives.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Our board roles have certainly become reversed in the past couple of years, haven't they? I'm the laid back guy and you're the wannabe board troll that just needs to learn that everyone isn't as entertained by your antics as you'd like to think.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.