"If the gun-control lobby wants my rod, they'll have to yank it from my dead body," said Pocatello-area bar-owner Joseph Greer, holding a tell-tale snub-nosed revolver."

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Why not ask one of the millions of people that have them and dont kill anyone let alone a bunch of dudes?

Personally I dont want an ar15. I'm not sure I'd find it useful to me but who am I to judge?

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I don't think one need be a history major to read that there is no Constitutional exception for Armalite rifles.

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What do you mean? The courts have been clear that the 2nd amendment doesn't grant access to any type of arms.

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We should also limit the people that exercise a right to free healthcare to doctors that only used tools and implements available in 1776?

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It's hard to even respond to posts like that.

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Let's say it isn't? Of course, it is a facebook meme but the argument for muskets is ridiculous.

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This thing will get laughed out of whatever courtroom it reaches, up to and including the Supreme Court.

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I wasn't arguing muskets only.

At the time of the passing of the 2nd amendment there wasn't the level of sophistication they have now. In those wars disease was a bigger killer than the guns.

That's why we can analyze them individually.

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It's a bad- or more likely, dishonest- "interpretation". "Infringed" is a very simple and straight forward word. Now, I guess if you want to throw out the Constitution or say, "well, the Constitution is just a suggestion", we can do whatever we want.

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Every similar court case has sided with the ban being Constitutional.

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What do you think it means? No control of arms of any kind?

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I guess that "well regulated" doesn't appear in the 2nd for MANY

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Don Tiny lost a post.

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I noticed that.

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It was self-deleted .... no chicanery involved!

I was going to posit the possibility that the statute doesn't jive with Public Act 098-0063 law but as I read through it I wasn't really compelling enough to bother with.

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based on this rule a ruger 10/22 is then deemed illegal. tons of hunting rifles are semi automatic. who gives a shit about ar15's. there are many other semi-automatic rifles that don't look as scary as the ar15

Unless I miss my guess, I'll tell you what they can own in Deerfield ... a Boys anti-tank rifle.

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You're kidding, right

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I didn't read Rick's link about previous decisions on bans. My feeling though is this will be found to be too broad. One difference I think is the past bans involving magazine capacity had to do with just that the accessory itself and how many rounds it can hold.

Banning the entire firearm without either allowing a modified magazine with fewer than 10 rounds or allowing a company to reissue the magazine in a similar manner seems like an overreach.

The AR was nto banned in 94 just due to magazine. They also caught them on the muzzle flash suppressor and a couple other things to very narrowly get what they wanted banned.

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Herb Lawrence?

It appears as a modifier of "militia" in a statement that lays out a reason why your right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

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What does it not being infringed mean though? No rules at all?

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I personally hate these gun threads now in part because of the linguistic gymnastics on display to buttress the ever present logic issues.

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So, just moving the line on the fully automatic ban to include more guns?

The linguistic gymnastics are used by those trying to take the guns. There is nothing ambiguous about "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". You may not like that, and that's fine. But the words are very clear.

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"Well regulated" seems a little ambiguous.