The linguistic gymnastics are used by those trying to take the guns. There is nothing ambiguous about "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". You may not like that, and that's fine. But the words are very clear.

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"Well regulated" seems a little ambiguous.

It's like the Old Testament. It doesn't count.

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"Well-regulated" refers to the militia the guys drafting the document considered necessary. It's the reason we have an unfettered right to bear arms. You may not consider a militia, well-regulated or otherwise, to be necessary in the United States circa 2018. That's fine. But it does not change the very specific language of the document.

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Mass shootings are part and parcel of living in a country that guarantees the right to own a gun to nearly all it's citizens.


Just put a shit load of security at every school (like we do for politicians and govt buildings) and call it a day. Mass shootings always suck, but the ones with children are the worst.


I trust this closes the matter.

Are you advocating for no rules on weapon ownership because of "Shall not be infringed"?

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Why wouldn't they just say militia then? Why the well regulated qualifier?

Frankly I'm starting to blame Pres. Clinton and his goofy argument over "what is is" for this garbage.

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I believe they thought the militia should be well regulated once it was called. I don't know. That part may be somewhat ambiguous, but it's just a precursor to the very clear language that follows. The fact that the militia is necessary is the reason your right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. It certainly is not a reason to infringe said rights.

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Well he was a lawyer.

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Elections have consequences.

So last time and I'm going to have to assume that is what you want. Are you advocating for there to be no restrictions on guns in this country because SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?

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I believe the people should be able to have whatever weapons the government has.

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And just like that, I officially win for all time the "I'm more liberal than you" argument.

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The 7th Circuit's upholding of the above Highland Park ban on both a defined set of semi-automatic rifles and large capacity magazines isn't exactly a resounding endorsement for gun control. After going through elaborate/confusing discussion of Heller (landmark 2nd Amendment case from last decade) and related case-law, with a speculative side-trip into societal benefits of gun-control, the court hangs its hat on "federalism and diversity" in letting the Highland Park law stand:

https://www.leagle.com/decision/infco20150427097

7th Circuit above called out the Supreme Court or legislators to clarify the law in this area. Supremes declined to review the 7th Circuit's decision, with Thomas and Scalia dissenting and wanting to take the case. Thomas concluding, after taking the the 7th Circuit to task for a gross-misreading of Heller,

I would grant certiorari to prevent the Seventh Circuit from relegating the Second Amendment to a second-class right

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 3_7l48.pdf

What, you don't think it's okay to infringe on one's rights in order to "increase the public's sense of safety"??

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I'll ask you too then. Do you think there should be absolutely no restrictions on weapons ownership in this country?

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Yikes.

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yeah, that paragraph clanks off the rim in the 7th Circuit's Highland Park decision,





that's one slippery-freaking-slope.

Nope. I trust Nas and Regular Reader to have nukes more than I trust John Bolton and Donald Trump having them.

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I'm pretty sure even Rush Limbaugh is like "Come on bro".

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The point of the Amendment is clear. And it has nothing to do with hunting or target shooting. I know you think "it could never happen here". But it's happening to people in places right now.

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I've argued on here before that a citizen army could stand up to the government.

I still don't want a populace that can go to the local Farm and Killing supply store and get a tank.

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maybe hunting and target shooting should be banned. you can have your guns, but they have to kept in a glass box that says "break in case of government tyranny"

See that's a thinkin man, right there

JLN is better at this than you as of late.

I didn't say that, and I'm not interested in answering a question that has nothing to do with anything I've said. If you want to search around and find where I've made that statement, then point us all in that direction. Otherwise, pose your inane question to someone else.

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It seemed like you were agreeing with JORR there.

We have gun restrictions now to increase the public's sense of safety. Is that ok?

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Doing anything simply in order to "increase the public's sense of safety" is almost certainly going to get a hard 'no' from me, such as 'duck and cover' drills, the Patriot Act, and the TSA.

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So everyone other than JORR believes there should be some type of common sense restrictions.

Is that a fair statement?

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It just seemed a strange reply to a guy who thinks I should be able to buy a nuclear weapon.

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Let me know when you all agree on what constitutes "common sense".

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