But I just said--there was simple music as far back as ancient times that was also considered good by many people. Hymns, things like that, passed down from generation to generation, WITHOUT being able to be written down. It's as basic as it gets.

What the "classical period" did was, like most things during the renaissance period, broaden the scope. which is why we're able to have expanded music and instrumentation, and why there is so much diversity.

Music *is* about what you feel, in that you can feel it's good or it's bad or it moves you or it doesn't--but when you start thinking in terms of "good" or "bad" objectively, you're missing the point completely.

And you're saying people had better taste in the 50's? Oy...

The 60's and 70's were some of the best times of music.

Do you guys think bigfan should "out" andyROONEY??

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IB your arguement sounds a little bitter grapey. I'm not saying that's wrong. I feel the same way about Nirvana and to a lesser extent Pearl Jam. Times change and the change was inevitable.

I'm glad I was away from the board for this debate (learning a new Beatles cover to play on the 19th, ironically)

This guy puts all of the aforementioned to shame.

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Not sure that Nirvana, Pearl Jam and maybe also throw Alice in Chains ruined music for future generations, if thats what you are implying. They had influence for about eight years, but I am pretty sure its passed on. I was a pretty big fan of all three bands, but have moved on in the past few years. Grunge was more a look and attitude then musical revolution. Pearl Jam essentially admitted that their first album was completely different then what they wanted to do and was changed to be more "mainstream".

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Wrong Section.

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Yes. Wrong section indeed. Take this music debate to where it belongs...the soccer section (or even better, the hockey section. Lord knows it could probably use some action).

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Seriously?

How, exactly, is this thread-- titled "Music Debate"-- in this particular folder-- "Tunes"-- in the wrong section?

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My apologies.

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too late?

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Wait, so are you saying that once a genre "dies" the music is no longer influential?

Punk was the same, until the Sex Pistols went away and the music changed.
80's Hair Metal....well, shit if that isn't an example of "look and attitude" I don't know what is. Hardcore bands, Death Metal bands, pretty much all genres have examples of "look and attitude." Some certainly more than others.

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I totally disagree that grunge was just about a look and an attitude...it clearly was a musical revolution. Up to that point you had the glam and hair metal of the 80's ruling MTV and the radio....Nirvana clearly marked a shift, bringing back the rawness of punk without the cheese and glam

That pretty much signaled the end of that era- Poison, Warrant, etc.

i bet these boys play nice music like weezer based off of their look and attitude.....
i would be wrong.

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I'm not trying to paint too big a brush, but grunge certainly did not seem to outlast the other genres of music as far as influence, or am I way off base? I haven't seen grunge morph into something else. Metal and punk evolved and influenced, I dont disagree at all. Emo, goth, grunge were in some ways influenced by punk.

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Yeah, but the music really didnt change much from those eras. It was still loud music, but just a different look and dress. The music was still depressing, still about drugs and women, with a tinge more hatred and angst. And hair bands are still pretty popular today, where as grunge bands have mostly faded away.

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They ushered out the hair bands (which I loved) and brought in the doc marten, flannel wearing, my life is so hard when in reality no it's not attitude. I hated the whole movement and missed what they replaced.

The hair bands were on life support by 1990 anyway. Metallica and Guns n Roses were already big. Alice and Chains and Soundgarden had been around for a while and were on the verge of becoming really big. If 'Smells like Teen Spirit' didn't come out when it did, 'Jeremy' or something else would have come out and set the world on fire like Nirvana ended up doing.

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That was my point. He hates the Beatles, I hate Nirvana but it's for personal reasons and it could have been anybody. It has little to do with their actual music or song writing being good or bad. We can't look at those bands objectively and makes our argument almost invalid.

I don't think so, Frank and I'll preface by saying that all of the popular bands from 90-to early 95 did this, however:
Nirvana was a band that looked like we did the most. Sang songs about how we felt the most. had the most obvious diy punk attitude and played a completely different 'style' of the seattle thing (albeit stolen bit by bit from all the good punk and no-wave bands). I think that soundgarden, pearl jam, alice in chains, smashing pumpkins, RATM, Porno for Pyros, RHCP, or Primus, have very few similarities to the simplicity of the Nirvana sound. Now, were they band of all time or write super awesome songs? That is certainly debateable, but not part of my discussion.

And as an aside, are there ANY Nirvana songs that are hard to play on the guitar?
Not one...imo.

My point is that Nirvana was perfect for the moment and for whatever reason they were 'selected' by the people. You cannot deny that.

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This is exactly why I hate them.