I thought they came up a little short in what they got for Sale. When you look at all the factors- performance, salary, etc., he might have been the most valuable guy who has been traded since Babe Ruth.

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Well thank God you raped the Cubs on Quintana. I'm like the woman who has decided to stop fighting a rape. You guys were right..he's a soft tossing bum.

If everything else happened exactly the same, yeah I think I'd undo that trade.

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you did not.

I'm the commander of the anti-Quintana brigade, but I still say it was a deal that made sense for the Cubs. They needed a pitcher who was going to cover innings. I take issue with those who call Quintana "elite", but he'll give you the innings and at the end of the year the team will be around .500 in the games he starts, if it's a real good team, maybe a game or three better. You couldn't have gotten a better pitcher for the money he is being paid. It's just that if you expect him to be a guy you count on to shut down the other team and get a win you really need, he just isn't that guy.

Jimenez is going to be what he's going to be. Even if he turns out to be like Charlie Blackmon I don't think that's something the Cubs should regret. But if Cease is a top of the rotation stud, then the deal looks really bad.

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Frank Robinson would like a word with you.

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So would Miguel Cabrera.

To be honest, I don't think Cease can stick as a starter.Cubs had to treat him with kid gloves to keep his arm healthy. Eloy is going to rake, I'm sure.

To get Cabrera you were forced to choke on busted down Dontrelle Willis at a huge number.

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Maybe not. But even if he's an elite reliever, the deal looks bad. But you know my thoughts on the chances of that. You're hoping for a guy to do stuff that Quintana is already doing.

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Chump change for a 2 time MVP Hall of Famer.

Yeah that contract dump was currency in that trade..but Dombrowki fucked them over on the prospects all who turned out to be nothings for the Marlins*

*Yeah Andrew Miller became a stud later, but that was many teams later, and after conversion to a reliever. He was "supposed" to be what Sale became in terms of a starting pitcher.

It's always good to get in on a Marlins fire sale though....like the Cardinals getting Ozuna for 4 fucking bums(literally).

It's easy to say that after ten years have passed. But at the time Maybin and Miller were considered future studs. (People said the same things about them you just said about Moncada today.) Rabelo was a highly regarded catcher and there were a few other guys in that deal that I don't remember.

Anyway, when you consider his money and the money you had eat on Willis as opposed to the embarrassingly low investment and control of Sale, I wouldn't say he was a more valuable guy on the market than Sale was- or should have been.

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Boston was smart and REALLY sold high on Moncada.. he is up there in terms of "Worst #1 farm prospect in baseball" in recent memory...most of his rankings were on the assumption he was a SS, the bat isn't as valuable at second base.

I don't really know how that was viewed at the time since I was only about a year old. In retrospect that was a terrible trade. I assume Cincinnati needed pitching at the time.

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His bat- if he has the one he was supposed to- will be dominating at second. I'm just not sure he can play second. Or that he has that bat.

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From what I've read Cincinnati mgmt didn't like his attitude and explained the trade by saying that they thought he was done.

And since you mentioned pitching, as soon as Sale does something in truly big moments, then the trade may be worse than Nolan Ryan getting traded from the Mets. Imho.

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He looks better at second than Anderson at short. Moncada's bat has become worrisome at this point. He's up to almost 250 major league at bats, and he's struck out in almost 100 of them. He also seems to have far less power from the right side.

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Yeah, there's legitimate reason to be concerned. These Sox fans who say "he's fine" are crazy. He hasn't been "fine" yet. He looks like Adam Dunn without the power.

Also, there's no way a team wins a championship with Anderson-Moncada up the middle. You have to open the checkbook and pay what it takes for Machado and put him at short for the next 6-8 seasons. I don't know what you do with Anderson at that point assuming his offense is strong enough that you need to put him somewhere. I know he was a high draft pick but you're not believing what your eyes see if you're going to argue that he's better than Yolmer Sanchez. The Sox want him to be but that ain't gonna make it happen.

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Anderson has a live bat, and he's a terror on the bases. I would think he would be able to cover a lot of ground, and be decent in the outfield. Delmonico can't play left.

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Most likely Moncada is in left, assuming he's the offensive stud he was supposed to be. Maybe Anderson can go to second. Delmonico won't be on the team when it is contending. Abreu and Avi are likely gone, so maybe Moncada/Davidson play first/DH. I'm getting ahead of myself here though. If he hits like he was supposed to you can find somewhere to put him. Jimenez is no prize in the outfield either. I guess if they all hit like you want them to you can live with the shaky defense. That's hoping for a lot though.

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THERE IT IS !!!!

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I thought we would get a Delmonico/Davidson platoon at DH and 3B. They must be really awful. Yolmer is turning into a good player. Great glove and is hitting a bit. Davidson looks like he can be a DH at least.

Not sure if Moncada can't handle second. Anderson makes too many mental mistakes to play infield.

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It's easy to say that after ten years have passed. But at the time Maybin and Miller were considered future studs. (People said the same things about them you just said about Moncada today.) Rabelo was a highly regarded catcher and there were a few other guys in that deal that I don't remember.

Anyway, when you consider his money and the money you had eat on Willis as opposed to the embarrassingly low investment and control of Sale, I wouldn't say he was a more valuable guy on the market than Sale was- or should have been.[/quote


come on JOR future studs I'll start a list Joe Borchard Brian Anderson and on and on so stop with that considered future studs shit...I consider them all misses

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

don't forget choking down busted down migcab at a huge number for what.... the next 5 years? yeah 2023 or 2024 i think.... i see an eight year extension in 2014 that keeps him under contract til "at least 2023"

of course, you pay that because you had those triple crown seasons and whatnot, but the dude is so natural i dont know how his body is going to hold out at that size. i think it was a few years ago where he started the season "looking svelte" and he jumped out to 10-15HR really quick, but then he had his first DL trip and by the time he was finishing off his rehab to come back there were pictures of him looking huge again, and when he came back he'd hit .400/+ for a couple weeks at a time but with almost no power.... i think he finished .338/18/76, spun it around for .316/38/108, then promptly fell off a cliff last year before conceding "yeah he was battling nagging injuries all year"

btw, after he signed that extension his .316/38/108 is his best season. the triple crown migcab (.348/44/139) was 2013. and what, pray tell, have le tigre won with migcab anchored in that lineup?

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That ACTUALLY made me laugh out loud.

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So did your last call to B&B.

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Moncada 2B
Garcia RF
Abreu 1B
Davidson DH
Delmonico LF
Castillo C
Anderson SS
Sanchez 3B
Engel CF

Giolito P

another walk for Anderson. That's 4 in 27 plate appearances this year.