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Are you overall in favor of GMO crops?
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Don Tiny wrote:
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http://www.organicauthority.com/foodie-buzz/eight-reasons-gmos-are-bad-for-you.html
Who wouldn't trust a site selling Power Dust by Moon Juice for $38!

:lol: I don't know man, it's got 'authority' in the url ... they surely had to get special certification from the president of the interwebz to use that word.


So you and Brick can't address any of the concerns posed in the article?

You are both models of consistency at least. :lol: :lol:

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Seacrest wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
http://www.organicauthority.com/foodie-buzz/eight-reasons-gmos-are-bad-for-you.html
Who wouldn't trust a site selling Power Dust by Moon Juice for $38!

:lol: I don't know man, it's got 'authority' in the url ... they surely had to get special certification from the president of the interwebz to use that word.


So you and Brick can't address any of the concerns posed in the article?

You are both models of consistency at least. :lol: :lol:

I'm waiting for my delivery of brain dust to respond.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Don Tiny wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
http://www.organicauthority.com/foodie-buzz/eight-reasons-gmos-are-bad-for-you.html
Who wouldn't trust a site selling Power Dust by Moon Juice for $38!

:lol: I don't know man, it's got 'authority' in the url ... they surely had to get special certification from the president of the interwebz to use that word.


So you and Brick can't address any of the concerns posed in the article?

You are both models of consistency at least. :lol: :lol:

I'm waiting for my delivery of brain dust to respond.


That won't help you have a conversation about a topic you are uninformed about.

Not like it has ever stopped you in the past though. :lol: :lol:

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We can have a discussion if you want. I'm not responding to a link from a site that sells sex dust.

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We can have a discussion if you want. I'm not responding to a link from a site that sells sex dust.



You can't have a discussion Brick. You can't respond to legitimate concerns that are presented because you are uninformed enough on the topic.

Thanks for taking the bait though. :wink:

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We can have a discussion if you want. I'm not responding to a link from a site that sells sex dust.



You can't have a discussion Brick. You can't respond to legitimate concerns that are presented because you are uninformed enough on the topic.

Thanks for taking the bait though. :wink:

All you did was post a link from a site that sells sex dust. Does that make you sound informed?

If you want to make a point on your own I'm sure you would get plenty of responses.

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beni hanna wrote:
Some time ago (6 years maybe) I posted the attached article on the seed subject. As with majority of beni posts it didn't go anywhere. I was fascinated by the topic as I knew nothing about companies in effect cornering the market on seed production.

http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2011/06/closed-source-crops/

Thanks to all for the updated discussion on the subject.



Technology/stewardship agreements required for the purchase of genetically modified seed explicitly prohibit research. These agreements inhibit public scientists from pursuing their mandated role on behalf of the public good unless the research is approved by industry. As a result of restricted access, no truly independent research can be legally conducted on many critical questions regarding the technology, its performance [and] management implications .

Corporations decide how their products perform and their long term effects on others.

We should just go along with them and trust them.

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The coating issue isn't a main concern of folks who have expressed cause for pause re: GMOs. It's the above market dominance and resulting lack of bio-diversity and putting our global food supply in the hands of essentially Monsanto.



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EPA released documents in January that show the growing use of neonicotinoid insecticides, http://bit.ly/

The agency estimated that clothianidin is used on 42 million to 61 million acres of corn annually, or from 45% to 65% of all U.S. corn acres. EPA estimated that between 24 million and 42 million acres of corn are treated with thiamethoxam. That is 26% to 45% of all U.S. corn acres.

With soybeans, the EPA said 13 million to 21 million acres are treated with thiamethoxam. That represents 16% to 25% of all U.S. soybean acres. In addition, 2.1 million acres are treated with clothianidin each year, or 3% of all U.S. soybean acres.


Sorry, those numbers do not appear to support your claim that untreated seeds are unavailable.

Now that Bayer has bought Monsanto, does that alter your level of concern? Does the big, bad Monsanto under the benevolent control of the Germans make them more lovable?


How many seed options do you have?

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From their shop:
https://www.thedetoxmarket.com/collections/moon-juice/products/moon-juice-sex-dust

Anyone want to split a bottle of sex dust with me?

MoonJuiceSexDust was a good RHCP album.

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I'm not sure that MANY realize that farm vehicles are not too far from the Simpsons episode where Bart and Homer use the semi's Autodrive.


My neighbors are big-time farmers. One of their employees, working many hours in a busy planting season, fell asleep while running a huge articulated tractor tilling a long field. The auto steer program beeps at you when you near the end of the field, and ramps up if you ignore it, but won't stop the tractor. Poor guy center-punched a big oak tree. His big mistake was driving it back to the road, about a mile away- broken windshield and destroyed radiator sprayed the interior down with coolant and hydraulic fluid. Ruined the interior and leather air-ride seat, along with the front end damage. Seems like the damage was $30K. The boss made a deal with the employee to keep his job and pay it back over time, the part that insurance didn't pay. He's a really great guy, apparently a great employee, just pushed it too far. At least no one got hurt. The worst part was the adult children kept the accident form their Dad, the Boss. He saw the tractor at the dealership and made some wisecracks about the owner, only to be told it was his tractor. Didn't go over too well, I hear.

Last year, another local farmer had an employee ride a rig into a pond while he played on his phone.


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How many seed options do you have?


Just guessing, 25-30 companies that have sales agents here in Michigan. I would think some have 4-5 hybrids to offer, a giant like Pioneer may have 30 varieties of corn. The choices are dizzying.


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Don Tiny wrote:
I'm not sure that MANY realize that farm vehicles are not too far from the Simpsons episode where Bart and Homer use the semi's Autodrive.


My neighbors are big-time farmers. One of their employees, working many hours in a busy planting season, fell asleep while running a huge articulated tractor tilling a long field. The auto steer program beeps at you when you near the end of the field, and ramps up if you ignore it, but won't stop the tractor. Poor guy center-punched a big oak tree. His big mistake was driving it back to the road, about a mile away- broken windshield and destroyed radiator sprayed the interior down with coolant and hydraulic fluid. Ruined the interior and leather air-ride seat, along with the front end damage. Seems like the damage was $30K. The boss made a deal with the employee to keep his job and pay it back over time, the part that insurance didn't pay. He's a really great guy, apparently a great employee, just pushed it too far. At least no one got hurt. The worst part was the adult children kept the accident form their Dad, the Boss. He saw the tractor at the dealership and made some wisecracks about the owner, only to be told it was his tractor. Didn't go over too well, I hear.

Last year, another local farmer had an employee ride a rig into a pond while he played on his phone.


So you’re saying my idea of mastering the 5 minute nap is bad? Talking to a dealer and had a guy call in about a broken frame on a disk. Went to look at and the guy had rammed sn oak tree with it... 30k sounds almost cheap for the articulated.

There are tons of small seed ice and bean breeders. I doubt they account for more than 25% locally and if you take out the big “small” guy you are probably at 5–10% of market. Pioneer and Dekalb dominate corn here


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beni hanna wrote:
Some time ago (6 years maybe) I posted the attached article on the seed subject. As with majority of beni posts it didn't go anywhere. I was fascinated by the topic as I knew nothing about companies in effect cornering the market on seed production.

http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2011/06/closed-source-crops/

Thanks to all for the updated discussion on the subject.



These companies are glomming lifeforms in a similar way to how Bill Gates glommed DOS. The major differences being that the development of the seeds occurred over a much longer period than the computer tech and that the stakes are much higher when it concerns the world's food supply.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
Some time ago (6 years maybe) I posted the attached article on the seed subject. As with majority of beni posts it didn't go anywhere. I was fascinated by the topic as I knew nothing about companies in effect cornering the market on seed production.

http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2011/06/closed-source-crops/

Thanks to all for the updated discussion on the subject.



These companies are glomming lifeforms in a similar way to how Bill Gates glommed DOS. The major differences being that the development of the seeds occurred over a much longer period than the computer tech and that the stakes are much higher when it concerns the world's food supply.

I think it has a negative effect on the animals that would normally eat the seeds. I know people think animal rights are foofy, but it weakens the health of the biosphere.


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tommy wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
Some time ago (6 years maybe) I posted the attached article on the seed subject. As with majority of beni posts it didn't go anywhere. I was fascinated by the topic as I knew nothing about companies in effect cornering the market on seed production.

http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2011/06/closed-source-crops/

Thanks to all for the updated discussion on the subject.



These companies are glomming lifeforms in a similar way to how Bill Gates glommed DOS. The major differences being that the development of the seeds occurred over a much longer period than the computer tech and that the stakes are much higher when it concerns the world's food supply.

I think it has a negative effect on the animals that would normally eat the seeds. I know people think animal rights are foofy, but it weakens the health of the biosphere.


Well, I think the jury is still out on those types of concerns, but this is an example of capitalism run amok. For hundreds, even thousands of years man has worked to improve agriculture with others building upon the work of those that came before. Now you have corporations building on the work of others and claiming exclusive ownership. It's a crime against humanity.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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http://www.organicauthority.com/foodie-buzz/eight-reasons-gmos-are-bad-for-you.html
Who wouldn't trust a site selling Power Dust by Moon Juice for $38!

Authors name is Shiloh too...
Just like david Spade's character in Grandmas Boy, which is a criminally underrated movie.
Spade was a whiny greenbean asswipe too, in that role.

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tommy wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
Some time ago (6 years maybe) I posted the attached article on the seed subject. As with majority of beni posts it didn't go anywhere. I was fascinated by the topic as I knew nothing about companies in effect cornering the market on seed production.

http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2011/06/closed-source-crops/

Thanks to all for the updated discussion on the subject.



These companies are glomming lifeforms in a similar way to how Bill Gates glommed DOS. The major differences being that the development of the seeds occurred over a much longer period than the computer tech and that the stakes are much higher when it concerns the world's food supply.

I think it has a negative effect on the animals that would normally eat the seeds. I know people think animal rights are foofy, but it weakens the health of the biosphere.


The larger impact probably has more to do with the increase in size of fields, the death of the diversified farm and the elimination of fence rows/hedge rows. The farms I know that still have cattle, fencerows abd different rotations besides corn/beans don’t seem to have the dearth of small game. But it’s a small sample size and things like rabbits are so damn cyclical it’s hard to know.


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tommy wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
Some time ago (6 years maybe) I posted the attached article on the seed subject. As with majority of beni posts it didn't go anywhere. I was fascinated by the topic as I knew nothing about companies in effect cornering the market on seed production.

http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2011/06/closed-source-crops/

Thanks to all for the updated discussion on the subject.



These companies are glomming lifeforms in a similar way to how Bill Gates glommed DOS. The major differences being that the development of the seeds occurred over a much longer period than the computer tech and that the stakes are much higher when it concerns the world's food supply.

I think it has a negative effect on the animals that would normally eat the seeds. I know people think animal rights are foofy, but it weakens the health of the biosphere.


The effects of capitalism and herbicides have done wonders for the monarch butterfly populations in North America.

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So Seacrest is against capitalism.
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Let's GO MONSANTO...

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Are they still protected under the "Monsanto Protection Act" HR 933? It was my understanding they can't be sued.


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GMO is one of the great advances of human civilization.

That doesn't mean that all types of modification is good but we should concentrate on those rather than a reason for a company to print "non-GMO" on the box and charge an extra two dollars for it to uneducated middle class people who think they are eating healthy because Whole Foods told them that it's more natural to eat crops that have been engineered for hundreds of years by farmers rather than in a lab.



Good thing The Monsanto Years was removed from Spotify!

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The Monsanto Statue was also removed too.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Brick wrote:
GMO is one of the great advances of human civilization.

That doesn't mean that all types of modification is good but we should concentrate on those rather than a reason for a company to print "non-GMO" on the box and charge an extra two dollars for it to uneducated middle class people who think they are eating healthy because Whole Foods told them that it's more natural to eat crops that have been engineered for hundreds of years by farmers rather than in a lab.



Good thing The Monsanto Years was removed from Spotify!
Is Don Cheadle the narrator of that one too?

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We shouldn't limit genetic modification. They have experimental kits that you can buy. If you want a cat that glows in the dark you can have one.

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most gmo food is selective breeding. i dont see much issue with that. the crisper modified stuff is a bit scary, but i find comfort in the fact that most life is edible. it's not going to matter a whole lot what we create to eat. i think it's worse that we spray insecticide and wash everything too much.

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We shouldn't limit genetic modification. They have experimental kits that you can buy. If you want a cat that glows in the dark you can have one.


but if you are a single dude you would still be considered fruity

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We shouldn't limit genetic modification. They have experimental kits that you can buy. If you want a cat that glows in the dark you can have one.


but if you are a single dude you would still be considered fruity


At least you'll have a pussy that will scare and likely kill you in the dark.

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We shouldn't limit genetic modification. They have experimental kits that you can buy. If you want a cat that glows in the dark you can have one.


but if you are a single dude you would still be considered fruity


At least you'll have a pussy that will scare and likely kill you in the dark.

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