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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:03 pm 
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Definitely do not understand this move.

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People really getting upset over a #3 receiver who just tore apart his knee. Good lord. Who gives a shit? Bears wouldn’t be good with him. They’re not going to be bad because they don’t have him.


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So Pace for $2M decided Josh Bellamy's special teams tackles and zero ability to catch a football was the FAR SUPERIOR choice than paying $3M for Cam Meredith's ability actually catch a ball.

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People really getting upset over a #3 receiver who just tore apart his knee. Good lord. Who gives a shit? Bears wouldn’t be good with him. They’re not going to be bad because they don’t have him.


From a PFF article following the 2016 season:

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The third-year receiver really made his mark on the deep ball last year. His catch rate of 70 percent on passes that traveled more than 20 yards in the air ranked second in the NFL, bringing in seven catches for 205 yards and four touchdowns on deep throws.

He was PFF’s best route-runner on the double-move last season as well, catching all five of his targets on routes with double-moves for 131 yards and two touchdowns.


Sounds like the type of guy who could exploit a shitload of one-on-one matchups with Robinson hogging so much attention on the other side.

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His health was the main factor. He was on Silvaddle today and said he doesn't know when his knee would be ready.

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People really getting upset over a #3 receiver who just tore apart his knee. Good lord. Who gives a shit? Bears wouldn’t be good with him. They’re not going to be bad because they don’t have him.


From a PFF article following the 2016 season:

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The third-year receiver really made his mark on the deep ball last year. His catch rate of 70 percent on passes that traveled more than 20 yards in the air ranked second in the NFL, bringing in seven catches for 205 yards and four touchdowns on deep throws.

He was PFF’s best route-runner on the double-move last season as well, catching all five of his targets on routes with double-moves for 131 yards and two touchdowns.


Sounds like the type of guy who could exploit a shitload of one-on-one matchups with Robinson hogging so much attention on the other side.


If this was 2016 and he had two good knees. He played one season and was the only healthy receiver that one season he was good. He will probably catch 40 balls this year if he can stay on the field.


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Meredith is going to be good.


That's what I'm saying. The Saints don't fuck around at the WR position if you are a bum. They always are finding, bringing in talent.

Well now that the 2 Doctors have chimed in I must agree...The Bears medical staff are idiots.

Are the Saints medical staff idiots? Based on the logic you’re trying here it must be one or the other.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Offseason
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People really getting upset over a #3 receiver who just tore apart his knee. Good lord. Who gives a shit? Bears wouldn’t be good with him. They’re not going to be bad because they don’t have him.

He’s a good young WR with a chance to be a very good #2 if healthy. Not the end of the world but definitely not a guy you want to just give up at that price level without compensation.

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People really getting upset over a #3 receiver who just tore apart his knee. Good lord. Who gives a shit? Bears wouldn’t be good with him. They’re not going to be bad because they don’t have him.

He’s a good young WR with a chance to be a very good #2 if healthy. Not the end of the world but definitely not a guy you want to just give up at that price level without compensation.


They let stud WR and former second round pick Alshon Jeffery walk for nothing last year. What makes you think they'll try to get any compensation for Meredith?

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Offseason
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How bad are the Bears that their fans are livid about losing a “talent” like Meredith. No hope for the Bears or the fans.


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How bad are the Bears that their fans are livid about losing a “talent” like Meredith. No hope for the Bears or the fans.


True. Meredith is replaceable.

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How bad are the Bears that their fans are livid about losing a “talent” like Meredith. No hope for the Bears or the fans.
I want (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky throwing to as much talent as possible to see if he is actually good enough to be the long term solution. I predict that Meredith's replacement on the Bears isn't nearly as talented.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Offseason
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How bad are the Bears that their fans are livid about losing a “talent” like Meredith. No hope for the Bears or the fans.
I want (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky throwing to as much talent as possible to see if he is actually good enough to be the long term solution. I predict that Meredith's replacement on the Bears isn't nearly as talented.

But the replacement may have two good knees.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Offseason
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Another puzzling move like cutting two capable offensive linemen (Slauson and Sitton) over the past 3 seasons.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has not proven anything but it's a lot tougher to do without capable O-linemen and a steady WR corp.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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How bad are the Bears that their fans are livid about losing a “talent” like Meredith. No hope for the Bears or the fans.
I want (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky throwing to as much talent as possible to see if he is actually good enough to be the long term solution. I predict that Meredith's replacement on the Bears isn't nearly as talented.

But the replacement may have two good knees.

I guess we will see but New Orleans wasn't concerned.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Offseason
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
How bad are the Bears that their fans are livid about losing a “talent” like Meredith. No hope for the Bears or the fans.
I want (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky throwing to as much talent as possible to see if he is actually good enough to be the long term solution. I predict that Meredith's replacement on the Bears isn't nearly as talented.

But the replacement may have two good knees.


Which will make it worse when Cam is better.

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People really getting upset over a #3 receiver who just tore apart his knee. Good lord. Who gives a shit? Bears wouldn’t be good with him. They’re not going to be bad because they don’t have him.


This

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People really getting upset over a #3 receiver who just tore apart his knee. Good lord. Who gives a shit? Bears wouldn’t be good with him. They’re not going to be bad because they don’t have him.


From a PFF article following the 2016 season:

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He was PFF’s best route-runner on the double-move last season as well, catching all five of his targets on routes with double-moves for 131 yards and two touchdowns.


Sounds like the type of guy who could exploit a shitload of one-on-one matchups with Robinson hogging so much attention on the other side.


But that is what the other WR they signed is supposed to do. Be fast and catch the stuff because of attention to Allen.

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His health was the main factor. He was on Silvaddle today and said he doesn't know when his knee would be ready.


Oh so it comes out then.

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It doesn't matter if they didn't want him. They let him walk for nothing when he was under their control. When you buy a new car do you just donate your trade-in for the good of the dealership? I mean you don't want it anymore, right!?

There is absolutely no spinning this or defending it. Offering Meredith the undrafted tender made sense if they were intent on keeping him. They obviously weren't, so why the hell would they just GIVE HIM AWAY?

It's infuriating. I can't even talk about the White Sox because they hurt me so bad, this Bears shit is getting to that point.


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Yes they absolutely fucked up the tender situation.

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The only thing I can think of in regards to the tender thing is that they felt if they put a 2nd round tender on him that nobody would make an offer. Even then it feels like a low risk thing you do anyway, especially because you're intimate enough with the knee recovery to know it's not going well enough for your standards.

This whole mess is stupid, and I'm extremely disappointed in how it played out. I still on the whole have relative faith in the long term prospects of Pace and Nagy, but this can be added to the pile of moves that feel greedy, short-sighted, and half-baked. Talent evaluation on Pace's part is lacking, and that's being as complimentary as possible.

  • Kevin White (has one season left to prove he can play and endure contact, but has up until now been a monumental disaster)
  • Hroniss Grasu (blew his knee out and has been unexceptional when healthy)
  • Jeremy Langford (heir apparent to Forte who when given the #1 role was promptly exposed)
  • Jonathan Bullard (was lauded as steal of a pick, but has done precisely dick in 2 years)
  • Deion Bush & Deiondre Hall (two 4th round picks who have barely proven to be special teams caliber)
  • Adam Shaheen (long way to go in career, but team seems to have invested in TEs in spite of him)
  • Ray McDonald (went through all this vetting shit only to fuck up again and be promptly cut)
  • Pernell McPhee (high risk knee injury case, but signed anyway, only to never be healthy)
  • Jerrell Freeman (great player when available, but kept violating PED/substance protocol)
  • Eddie Royal (couldn't stay healthy at all once in a Bears uniform)
  • Quintin Demps (meant to be stabilizing presence but got hurt and when healthy sucked ass)
  • Antre Rolle (signed an old guy that was on the decline who talked shit about the Bears publicly afterward)
  • Markus Wheaton (meant to assuage the loss of Jeffery, then got injured because of course)
  • Mike Glennon (too much money, sure, but the real flaw was thinking the guy was worthy of being in the NFL whatsoever; complete miss in all regards)
  • Dion Sims (jury is still out, but the price is wrong in a bubble)
  • Marcus Cooper (arrow was pointing up until he put on Bears uniform and forgot how to play football entirely)
  • Letting Alshon Jeffery walk only for him to win a Super Bowl in Philly
  • Mismanaging the Cam Meredith debacle from start to finish

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The only thing I can think of in regards to the tender thing is that they felt if they put a 2nd round tender on him that nobody would make an offer. Even then it feels like a low risk thing you do anyway, especially because you're intimate enough with the knee recovery to know it's not going well enough for your standards.

This whole mess is stupid, and I'm extremely disappointed in how it played out. I still on the whole have relative faith in the long term prospects of Pace and Nagy, but this can be added to the pile of moves that feel greedy, short-sighted, and half-baked. Talent evaluation on Pace's part is lacking, and that's being as complimentary as possible.

  • Kevin White (has one season left to prove he can play and endure contact, but has up until now been a monumental disaster)
  • Hroniss Grasu (blew his knee out and has been unexceptional when healthy)
  • Jeremy Langford (heir apparent to Forte who when given the #1 role was promptly exposed)
  • Jonathan Bullard (was lauded as steal of a pick, but has done precisely dick in 2 years)
  • Deion Bush & Deiondre Hall (two 4th round picks who have barely proven to be special teams caliber)
  • Adam Shaheen (long way to go in career, but team seems to have invested in TEs in spite of him)
  • Ray McDonald (went through all this vetting shit only to fuck up again and be promptly cut)
  • Pernell McPhee (high risk knee injury case, but signed anyway, only to never be healthy)
  • Jerrell Freeman (great player when available, but kept violating PED/substance protocol)
  • Eddie Royal (couldn't stay healthy at all once in a Bears uniform)
  • Quintin Demps (meant to be stabilizing presence but got hurt and when healthy sucked ass)
  • Antre Rolle (signed an old guy that was on the decline who talked shit about the Bears publicly afterward)
  • Markus Wheaton (meant to assuage the loss of Jeffery, then got injured because of course)
  • Mike Glennon (too much money, sure, but the real flaw was thinking the guy was worthy of being in the NFL whatsoever; complete miss in all regards)
  • Dion Sims (jury is still out, but the price is wrong in a bubble)
  • Marcus Cooper (arrow was pointing up until he put on Bears uniform and forgot how to play football entirely)
  • Letting Alshon Jeffery walk only for him to win a Super Bowl in Philly
  • Mismanaging the Cam Meredith debacle from start to finish


If Rick posted that you'd yell at him for being too negative.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Dewskie wrote:
The only thing I can think of in regards to the tender thing is that they felt if they put a 2nd round tender on him that nobody would make an offer. Even then it feels like a low risk thing you do anyway, especially because you're intimate enough with the knee recovery to know it's not going well enough for your standards.

This whole mess is stupid, and I'm extremely disappointed in how it played out. I still on the whole have relative faith in the long term prospects of Pace and Nagy, but this can be added to the pile of moves that feel greedy, short-sighted, and half-baked. Talent evaluation on Pace's part is lacking, and that's being as complimentary as possible.

  • Kevin White (has one season left to prove he can play and endure contact, but has up until now been a monumental disaster)
  • Hroniss Grasu (blew his knee out and has been unexceptional when healthy)
  • Jeremy Langford (heir apparent to Forte who when given the #1 role was promptly exposed)
  • Jonathan Bullard (was lauded as steal of a pick, but has done precisely dick in 2 years)
  • Deion Bush & Deiondre Hall (two 4th round picks who have barely proven to be special teams caliber)
  • Adam Shaheen (long way to go in career, but team seems to have invested in TEs in spite of him)
  • Ray McDonald (went through all this vetting shit only to fuck up again and be promptly cut)
  • Pernell McPhee (high risk knee injury case, but signed anyway, only to never be healthy)
  • Jerrell Freeman (great player when available, but kept violating PED/substance protocol)
  • Eddie Royal (couldn't stay healthy at all once in a Bears uniform)
  • Quintin Demps (meant to be stabilizing presence but got hurt and when healthy sucked ass)
  • Antre Rolle (signed an old guy that was on the decline who talked shit about the Bears publicly afterward)
  • Markus Wheaton (meant to assuage the loss of Jeffery, then got injured because of course)
  • Mike Glennon (too much money, sure, but the real flaw was thinking the guy was worthy of being in the NFL whatsoever; complete miss in all regards)
  • Dion Sims (jury is still out, but the price is wrong in a bubble)
  • Marcus Cooper (arrow was pointing up until he put on Bears uniform and forgot how to play football entirely)
  • Letting Alshon Jeffery walk only for him to win a Super Bowl in Philly
  • Mismanaging the Cam Meredith debacle from start to finish


If Rick posted that you'd yell at him for being too negative.

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Haha, I've said in other posts that I'm not in love with Pace or exist to defend the Bears. I gave my positives in other posts, and it stands to reason that I have just as many negative opinions and thoughts on the franchise.

I'm sure BRick and others have posted positives (or their idea of what merits "positives" in regards to the Bears), but those nuggets are harder to conjure up when the oily negativity is always rising, sitting readily on the surface.

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I think people have a romanticized view of what Alshon Jeffery is and has been for the last three seasons


No doubt - I was indifferent to Jeffery's departure, and him getting the 1-year deal with Philly after a few weeks of hesitation from any GM to give him a huge contract, the lack of trust from the league seemed to soothe the jilted Bears fans who felt like this was Pace or the team being cheap or irresponsible to let that talent walk.

That said, it's troubling to see guys leave the organization who not only rose to prominence within that club, but also have a lot more to give. Jeffery's constant issues with lingering injuries were a huge, huge pain in the ass, to an equal extent as his rumored lukewarm interest in remaining a Chicago Bear. At some point, much like the Kevin White saga (for me anyway), I wanted the team to cut ties simply so people would shut the fuck up about it.

It's embarrassing, however, to see Alshon go out and be a very relevant part of an Eagles team that won a title. The Bears simply chose to let him walk, too, which is another frustrating thing. I understand to an extent, but something is always better than nothing, and if Pace simply wanted the saga to be over without any red tape or fuss, I get it, but the guy was a Bears commodity with trade value. I'd like to really, really think that Pace explored all possibilities about franchising/trading Alshon before simply deciding to leave it all alone.

If you could trade Brandon Marshall's crazy ass, you should've been able to do something with Jeffery. I dunno. It all feels troubling and annoying, but I'm also in a very shitty Bears mood today after this Meredith thing.

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I think people have a romanticized view of what Alshon Jeffery is and has been for the last three seasons


No doubt - I was indifferent to Jeffery's departure, and him getting the 1-year deal with Philly after a few weeks of hesitation from any GM to give him a huge contract, the lack of trust from the league seemed to soothe the jilted Bears fans who felt like this was Pace or the team being cheap or irresponsible to let that talent walk.

That said, it's troubling to see guys leave the organization who not only rose to prominence within that club, but also have a lot more to give. Jeffery's constant issues with lingering injuries were a huge, huge pain in the ass, to an equal extent as his rumored lukewarm interest in remaining a Chicago Bear. At some point, much like the Kevin White saga (for me anyway), I wanted the team to cut ties simply so people would shut the fuck up about it.

It's embarrassing, however, to see Alshon go out and be a very relevant part of an Eagles team that won a title. The Bears simply chose to let him walk, too, which is another frustrating thing. I understand to an extent, but something is always better than nothing, and if Pace simply wanted the saga to be over without any red tape or fuss, I get it, but the guy was a Bears commodity with trade value. I'd like to really, really think that Pace explored all possibilities about franchising/trading Alshon before simply deciding to leave it all alone.

If you could trade Brandon Marshall's crazy ass, you should've been able to do something with Jeffery. I dunno. It all feels troubling and annoying, but I'm also in a very shitty Bears mood today after this Meredith thing.


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I think people have a romanticized view of what Alshon Jeffery is and has been for the last three seasons


No doubt - I was indifferent to Jeffery's departure, and him getting the 1-year deal with Philly after a few weeks of hesitation from any GM to give him a huge contract, the lack of trust from the league seemed to soothe the jilted Bears fans who felt like this was Pace or the team being cheap or irresponsible to let that talent walk.

That said, it's troubling to see guys leave the organization who not only rose to prominence within that club, but also have a lot more to give. Jeffery's constant issues with lingering injuries were a huge, huge pain in the ass, to an equal extent as his rumored lukewarm interest in remaining a Chicago Bear. At some point, much like the Kevin White saga (for me anyway), I wanted the team to cut ties simply so people would shut the fuck up about it.

It's embarrassing, however, to see Alshon go out and be a very relevant part of an Eagles team that won a title. The Bears simply chose to let him walk, too, which is another frustrating thing. I understand to an extent, but something is always better than nothing, and if Pace simply wanted the saga to be over without any red tape or fuss, I get it, but the guy was a Bears commodity with trade value. I'd like to really, really think that Pace explored all possibilities about franchising/trading Alshon before simply deciding to leave it all alone.

If you could trade Brandon Marshall's crazy ass, you should've been able to do something with Jeffery. I dunno. It all feels troubling and annoying, but I'm also in a very shitty Bears mood today after this Meredith thing.


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This is why Ryan Pace never "wins" an off season. He will make some good moves, but cancel it out by getting rid of players without a backup plan to replace them. IE Alshon Jeffery, Robbie Gould.


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They can afford more at a position like WR because they have the QB cheap for now.


This is the key point. I was excited as hell to see what Meredith could accomplish with so much attention focused on Allen Robinson, and now I just feel sick.


However, they still are more in need of some help on the line for both sides of the ball.

Also, they threw a number at Meredith that they felt they could live with. Because if Goldman and Amos continue to play very well, they will want to use cap space on hand to lock up both of them going forward as well.

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