I am very sorry to hear that. That seems, though, more of a getting a job than the wage gap problem.

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Rethink that, mike.

If you have trouble getting hired at one place, do you usually find a job with HIGHER pay than your first choice?

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I think it's all related. It ended up working out just fine though but it certainly was enlightening to deal with stuff like that.

Her company is pretty great though so no complaints.

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The way things are moving, though, are these things going to be legislated? Rahm Emanuel just banned city hiring managers from asking candidates for their salary history. Will there eventually be laws mandating husband and wife share child-rearing duties equally, regardless of their preferences?

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Yes I see that. It is all complex. I can see problems all over like many have said but I fail to see some clear and easy fix or even cause. When you think about it this is pretty much a perfect idea/problem presently being used by the left. There is a problem we can complain about and rally women and like minded people to demand change without a real ability to fix the problem.

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It's already legislated to some degree, though allowing men to have equal paternity leave as women would help.

Millenials are making it a lot less of an issue given most Millenials saw enough mistreatment of their parents at work to know that it's foolish to spend your life at work. My dad, approaching retirement age, had to work weekends more than he should have because some of the newer employees would just say no to doing it and there wasn't much the company could do about it after they had already laid of 50% of the department.

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Glad to hear it. Related to my previous post though people at her company might be wtf I see no problem? The company down the block may have a revolution going on.

I guess I am just too old and tired. I have come to the conclusion there are many problems like this, race, whatever that are so complex I have no chance to have the perfect answer so I give up. I will just do my own little world and let you young guys figure it out.

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IMU, Kirkwood, and me are going to solve a lot of the problems you guys caused.

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While it can be complex, many times the answer is pretty simple. For example, why are are over 90% of inmates male? Because of discrimination? No, it's because males are the ones committing the fucking crimes. And why are almost all NFL receivers black?

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I gotta admit. I hated it when our group assistant went on 8 weeks maternity and I had to do 30% of her work too. Sorry for feeling that way. I guess you can look at it as me doing my societal good.

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Wow.

Women are having a rough few days on the board.

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No, of course not. That's ridiculous and not even close to the salary thing. Come on.

good dolphin really is the underrated MVP of this thread...

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I was a single father of 3 kids for MANY years and for the most part I didn't mess them up. I would like to believe that I'm still a man. There aren't defined parental responsibilities. Doing the best for the child is the only one.

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Can’t go solving world problems with grammar like that.

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So? Nobody has said that a man can't raise children or that a woman can't run a Fortune 500 company.

The point is, when we're looking at the supposed wage gap we have to consider that far less women than men are driven to do what it takes to ascend to those top jobs. That shows up in the data. It isn't because an individual woman isn't as capable as an individual man.

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Jorr says women should work harder.

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Good to see you walking back the "you can't change nature" crap.

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Women's brains are a third the size of men's brains.

It's science.

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Except when the women do ascend to those jobs there is a gap that varies by industry but still exists.

Though, as I said "women need to act like men" isn't exactly a great argument that sexism isn't part of it.

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Saw an op-ed this morning, essentially asking why over time we have made girls more boy-like but boys have been forced to stick with the same definition of masculinity.

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The boys that don't tend to stick with that definition are called tranny's...or Matt Spiegel...whatever.

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I'm walking back nothing. Women bear children. Men do not. That's nature. Women feed babies. Men cannot. (Sure we can argue about the creation and health benefits- or lack thereof- of ersatz mother's milk, but that's getting far afield from the discussion of the wage gap.) Again, the point is that there are X number of jobs. There is brutal competition to obtain the highest paying jobs. This place is filled with men, most of whom obviously are making the choice not to compete at that level by virtue of posting here rather than doing the work that earns those top jobs. That's a choice. Do I think Terry's Peeps could run Motorola if he had it in him to make that effort? Probably. But he doesn't and that's no crime. I don't either. And the simple fact is there are less women making the choice to compete for those jobs than there are men. I'm making no argument against the likely fact that as many women are as capable of competing and winning those jobs as men, but rather that far less women have the desire to enter such competition because they have different priorities and nature plays a big part in that.

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In his infamous Google memo, James Damore's point was that pay inequality exists not just because women don't often "act like men" (more ambition, more willingness to ask for raises, etc), but also because of the societal pressures on men who are reluctant to take on traditional female roles (not being the breadwinner, being a stay-at-home dad, etc).

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Maybe I'm not articulating it well, because you don't seem to understand.

I'm not sure what "act like a man" means in this context. It takes tremendous effort to be a C-level exec at a large corporation. I don't consider such effort "acting like a man". A woman can choose to make such an effort. The fact is for every woman that does, there are many more men fighting for the same spot(s).

As for your assertion that woman are paid less in the same jobs as men, I don't believe there is evidence to support it.

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Are you sure boys have been forced to stick with one definition of masculinity? The complaint that school has become designed for girls to thrive (JORR alluded to it here or there) is not wholly without merit.

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This is why I'm raising my son gender-nonspecific.

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