You literally can't change biology. Generally speaking, women have a lower percentage of their lives available to earn a wage. There is no disputing this. It is a fact.

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Not adding to the population is the only solution.

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I can assure you this isn't the problem.

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I don't know too much Jorr but maybe your argument is backed up by the fact that the same thing being decried happens even man to man. There simply is no formula, fix or wage control that works for gender or at all really for top management. Then keep in mind many other areas of the economy at the low to mid levels are controlled (by government or trade unions etc) what is left? I smallish area of the economy.

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The discussion isn't that there are more men than women, but when you compare them at similar positions there is still a gap for some reason.

Even the most favorable studies still put the pay gap around 5% though it is shrinking. It's also heavily specific to the industry. That's why pharmacists have one of the best pay gaps.

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What are you saying?

The only noticeable difference is maternity leave and even if you have 3 kids that is only 18-24 weeks off in a career that is seemingly going to be 30 years long.

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I don't believe the data shows that. The majority of the reason for the "wage gap" is that men have more high-paying jobs than women, not that there's a man and a woman in exactly the same job with the man earning more. Although, I will cite some personal anecdotal evidence here. My wife is at a point where her career is really taking off. But she is not aggressive when it comes to asking for more money. Generally, and I don't care what's between your legs, people don't pay you more than they have to. In my wife's case, she's lucky to have a boss/mentor who is looking out for her.

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Again, there is no reason to even be discussing births and childcare unless the female is choosing to take more than a standard leave.

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They may not be as physically violent. But nothing can match the pure malevolence of a 17 year old girl. It’s cute that a bunch of guys thinks physical pain matters.

In our old house we used to have a bunch of snakes in a marsh area. Our dog would get in to fights and we would have to go kill the snakes. I was pretty good at head shots and quick kills on the snakes. My wife would start with cutting the body in half and start slicing more from there.

Your story goes to my point. Two exact guys. One changes companies every 2-4 years and is aggressive and the other is happy to toll quietly for one firm. Who is making more? What is the gap?

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You seem to be disputing the mere mention that men and women are biologically different and pre-disposed to take different roles in life.

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Let's ask Harvard professor Claudia Goldin!
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html




So, she certainly thinks a pay gap exists. Are we not considering her an expert that should be believed without question?

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Though many times I can see a woman, upon returning from maternity leave, not wanting to jump back in at 100% or her bosses (benevolently) trying to lighten her load. Do female lawyers pump out a baby and then after 6 -8 weeks come back and resume working 80 hours a week? There are exceptions like Marissa Mayer but I think it's not common.

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How do they have a lower percentage of their lives available to earn a wage?

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Let's be fair: women are proving tremendously adept at murdering their autistic children.

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I'm not going down that road. For every professor you find I can find one who says something different. But i will say that if one person is working harder than the other, by definition it isn't the "same job".

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I understand the meaning of “literally.” I literally do not know any woman who has missed only 8 weeks of work for the birth of a child. There are both pre and post natal physical issues for the mother, and there’s is caring for the newborn that can’t simply be off loaded to a nanny.

One lawyer I know took daily naps under her desk during her final trimester of pregnancy.

How do you judge "working harder"?

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Those are normally sick/vacation days though. Sometimes the maternity leave is partially vacation days since so many don't get paid maternity leave too.

As for the anecdote about sleeping under the desk, I know other women who literally went into labor at work.

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Says the guy who will have his first kid collecting Social Security, while his last kid is in 5th grade.

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Maybe you have a Superwife. My observations are that women miss a great deal of work during and after pregnancy. Due to IVF, there are more multiple births now. Many women need bed rest during pregnancy.

I think we’re arguing over a “perfect” pregnancy versus one that has some issues.

They way I'm reading your thoughts, it seems like you think a pregnancy with issues is more common than one without....

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Right.

If we are going to use generalities, let's use them.

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Except climate change. They ALL agree on climate change 100%.

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I wanna be like John Tyler

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If global warming was real, why has it been in the 30s in April??

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Most normal pregnancies are 6 weeks of rest for normal birth, and 8 weeks of rest for c-section, with no bed rest beforehand or after. Yeah, of course there are more doctors visits but that can be worked around.

Not really. I'm guessing you have some selection bias here. You notice the rare difficult pregnancy and forget about the majority of them basically being 6-8 weeks + an extra doctors appointment every month.

I highly doubt it's common for pregnant women to be sleeping in their office every day for 3 months.

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You guys should study California baby leave. Both parents get it and it is very long like months. It’s actually part of disability. Somehow their gap problem is the same as everyone else’s?

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