So your premise is that from inception through adulthood (18 years), a mother misses a grand total of 8 weeks off. PTO is not gender specific, so that balances out across the sexes.

That started in January 2018.

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THEY'VE HAD 3 MONTHS!

FIX IT ALREADY!

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Average is 2.2 kids right?

So 18ish months out of the 28ish years between age 21-49 (just guessing prime earning years)

Doesn't seem that significant.

Yeah, but doctors appointments for the kids are bad. Taking the day off to get drunk at Wrigley is good.

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No. Family members of mine took advantage ok it in 2016. Perhaps renamed or reorganized in2018.

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Maybe you dont know the right women?

I'm not complaining about the wage gap though. I don't even have a job.

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Some of the stuff we talk about here is the issue.

These two things are both true:

Women are more pre-disposed to nurturing the child more than men.

That generalization should not (in a perfect world) affect anyone's hiring practices.

Jorr, your signature, you’re putting me in the same category as commercial real estate investors? I’ll have you note my Pulte slum is solely for personal use.

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Before 2018, it was 6 weeks, not months, with 2 of those weeks being vacation time, and only paid out 55%.

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Like I said, assuming that an individual is going to work less or take more time off because of her sex is egregious. But when a woman decides to leave at 5:00 everyday to take care of her family and others are killing at the office every night until eight- and some of them may be women too- the one that leaves at five shouldn't expect to advance like the others. And there are simply less women willing to put in those hours.

BRick seems to think that making those choices shouldn't affect advancement and salary. I'm open to the argument as to why they shouldn't. We can make whatever kind of society we want. But it's usually best not to fight against human nature. That's why communism doesn't work. There will always be the person who isn't satisfied with their "fair share" and who will aggressively grab more. It's usually a man.

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Well I cannot help you then. In 2016 two nurses in the same household were off 12 weeks each one after the other. Work paid the first part then disability or other state payment. Regardless their jobs had to be held.

I don’t think you will convince me my personal experience is wrong other than my terms questionable.

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These two nurses were also impregnated when they received a vaccine.

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If we make these two assumptions:
1) The time for the pregnancy leave is reasonably small to not have a major effect.
2) The worker still puts in enough hours to be full time and capable of doing the job they were hired to do

Their choices should not affect advancement and salary. I think it's unreasonable for companies to ask workers to put in significantly more time for no extra pay though. I don't think someone working 80 hours a week(on salary) should be prioritized over someone who isn't willing to do that unreasonable request. I understand there are times when extra work may be required above the mythical 40 hours of work for salaried employees but I don't think an employee should be promoted over because they are taking care of kids instead of working 80 hour weeks. I think that type of arrangement is unfair to both employees.

As I've said though, I have a different view of the workplace than you do. You have a more old fashioned look at it just like my dad did where you do what your employer says and don't have an option. If you are needed to work 65 hours in a week then you do that even though you are working for free for 25 hours there. If something needs to be done on a weekend then you do it. Now, the reward for that was others got laid off and workloads like that became normalized. A funny thing happened though. The younger workers would say "No, I'm busy" when asked to do the same. They, like me, learned about the corporate world by seeing their parents worried about layoffs, being sold, working long hours for no real benefit to them, companies being sold and restructured.

So no, if a woman, or a man, needs to take their kid to a doctors appointment, I don't think they should have their entire career path get derailed because of it and always be behind.

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Grow up.

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I'm telling you what the law was and why a 4 month old law would not yet be showing gains in the gender pay gap in California.

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Well I’m telling you what happened in 2016.

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About what?

Corporations no longer care about their workers. Workers should react similarly.

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Actually, that's not the view of the workplace I have. I don't think an employer owns your time. I believe in the nine-to-five. It's your generation that has allowed electronics to make you an around-the-clock employee.

But if you really want to make money and advance through a corporation, you're going to be competing against people- mostly men but some women- who have very little interest in life outside the office.

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If it wasn't a state law in California how would it lower the gender pay gap?

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That was for DB.

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Some care about advancement and they work 80 hours/week to do it. That's how it works in my big corporation. Well, that, and plenty of ass-licking the right people.

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It was some sort of policy previously.

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Yes, and I told you what it was, which was 6 weeks, 2 of which were vacation time, at 55% of your pay.

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But you were the one who believed that. Perhaps you should grow up and find out where babies come from.

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Yeah, and at my dad's company that got a lot of them laid off. At least they had pensions though. Those days are gone.

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Look I am telling you my relatives had 12. There was some sort of disability option over and above the usual federal.

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Yeah, and at my dad's company that got a lot of them laid off. At least they had pensions though. Those days are gone.[/quote]

No, I'm sorry, but if you are on the executive track, those days are not gone.

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