Um....clash of clans?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It sounds like you are trying to take rights away from workers.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I like looking out for the little guy.

_________________

What about it? I never claimed to be some super hard worker, but every company I've worked for outside the US Army noticed and rewarded those who put in extra hours. Especially my current job.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Rick, I really don't know how you continue to state so many blatantly wrong things as fact. Millenials are the ones who have blurred the line between home and work. Technology hasn't helped.

Just because you think something doesn't make it so.

It's part of your charm, though.

_________________

The right to work 40 hours for free shall not be infringed!

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Correct. Legislation that ensures nobody works harder than Boilermaker Rick would probably not end well.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

We'd be France.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Seems like a lot of conflating results and hours in the past page or two... there's usually a correlation, but it isn't a given.

_________________
"All crowds boycotting football games shouldn't care who sings or takes a knee because they aren't watching." - Nas

This.

_________________

Thanks for digging that up. In any event my larger point was that in CA and particularly in my personal example both the mother AND father can take off. So in theory then maternity/paternity leave should be no factor at all as far as wage gap if CA is the same percentage as nationally.

_________________
Elections have consequences.

California is top 3 in smallest gender wage gap though.

Also, 6 weeks is not equal for men and women so it wouldn't be a complete solution anyways.

What really is your point though? Pretty much everyone but me and rpb are on here saying "Yeah, women who have babies don't put in as much effort and miss more time and deserve to make less because of capitalism and what about small business owners and nature and biology!". It's strange to argue that differing levels of time taken off by men and women who have children isn't a factor.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

My point as I mentioned earlier yesterday was that as long as it is not something outside of a "normal" maternity leave there should be no bearing whatsoever on a female's earning. Furthermore, I do not think in the literal sense that even most things baby related afterward does not affect it because it should be covered by normal sick/vacation/personal time that anyone else gets.

My point in general as stated is I do not see a giant gap at low to middle wage levels really. When discussing this I feel the target that people have is mid to upper management level pay. In that arena I think that both men and women make choices in their life for many reasons that affect their promotion, advancement and ultimately pay.

With regard to measuring the problem I have not yet seen an effective way that can account for enough variables. Obviously, at a personal level there are very clear case of discrimination and other poor treatment where a gap is there. Overall though I do not think there is a huge vast conspiracy to pay women less than men for equal work.

_________________
Elections have consequences.

There are enough real problems in the world to solve without creating or exaggerating ones that don’t or barely exist.

Rick, I have no idea how you weren’t a #HillaryMan.

_________________

Well, even in the small sample size of this board many disagree with you.

It exists at all levels but is more pronounced at higher income levels.

It's not a true conspiracy. It's not like it is being planned by some evil group.

However, you can see it in this and the other thread. While arguing that the gap doesn't really exist, they keep on giving all these reasons why women should get paid less. They don't work as hard. They care more about children than work. They don't spend their free time on work. They sleep under desks while pregnant. Small businesses can't rely on women of child bearing age because what happens if they get pregnant and then miss 8 weeks of work(unpaid). Why do we want women abandoning their families and working hard anyways?

The funny part is that many of the people saying those things have working spouses with children, and they are on the side that they don't deserve to be treated as equals because of those reasons.

Based on what I have read, it seems most arguing with me actually think this: The gender pay gap is real, and women should be paid less than men either if they are of child bearing age or if they have children.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Like worrying about a small business that can't handle 8 weeks of unpaid maternity leave?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Maybe? I cannot read their minds. All I know is what I feel and sometimes see. That is in order to make a maximum amount of money and be at the apex of earning it takes an extraordinary level of effort, dedication and sometimes luck too.

Many people, both men and women, choose not to do that for various reasons. The results are clear. In my opinion, and really my final thought, I see a wage gap between types of people not gender alone.

It is probably better seen when looking at the commission pay world. Some are rich and on top of their world while some are doing the necessary amount to get what they need.

_________________
Elections have consequences.

Here's a female professor. I'm sure BRick can mansplain the wage gap to her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

So men work harder than women, even in the same jobs? I mean, it's ok to think that. Others have said similar things.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No I am saying the opposite. Some men AND women work harder than others. At the moment, there does not seem to be as many women (and other smaller groups) competing at the highest levels for some reason. For every Carly etc, there are 25 male competitors. Someone else has to figure out the details as to why that is.

_________________
Elections have consequences.

But the numbers indicate that those women still make less in most cases when they win that competition.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Back to measurement. I have no idea how you measure "Female A" CEO on the job for two years with all the other CEOs male or otherwise in the country?

_________________
Elections have consequences.

By pay?

_________________

It’s not just that. She’s also likely to be emotional and irrational. And that’s before we even get into menstrual cycles.

_________________

BRick,

Do you think people should be able to negotiate the price of a new car, or should there be a law forbidding the practice?

If research showed that men, on average, pay less, is that because the salesmen/women are discriminating or because men are more aggressive negotiators?

And if you believe car prices should be posted with no haggling allowed (to avoid “discrimination”), how far should that extend? Selling your home?

_________________

They look at a much larger portion of the workplace than the CEO position.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Are you saying women are bad negotiators?

Is this yet another "The pay gap doesn't exist but here is a reason it exists" question?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I think the point, and this has probably already been made several times, is that there are consequences to actions. I think you are viewing a consequence as a form of conscious discrimination.

_________________
Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

I make a killing on overtime. Im salaried, but they backwards apply an hourly rate and go 1.5 for OT.

Companies and business owners = good guys, we should consider them before enacting any legislation on anything

Individuals= greedy, lazy assholes looking for a handout.